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Are you a feminist?
"Feminism is the radical idea that women are people."


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10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 2/3/12 - 4:25:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
I am not a feminist

I am an egalitarian. Referring to a desire for gender equality with the name of a single gender is just blatantly contradictory. I don't care how much of a history the term has behind it, using feminism to describe an egalitarian view is simply retarded.

Now, if you are referring to academic feminism, there the term is very appropriate. Now I immediately understand the need for academic feminism. A female perspective is just as necessary in academics as is a black perspective or a gay perspective.

However, while I do understand it as important and necessary, there is the unpleasant matter of my... distaste for it. I mean, it's not that I even necessarily think it to be wrong (though I would say that about many of its conclusions) but it's just so alien to me, not just as a male, but as someone who sees a minimum of four genders
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 2/3/12 - 4:53:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
While I agree that most men and women conform to the expectations of their gender, it drives me nuts to hear stuff like 'boys can't', or 'women don't' on any topic that does not include genitals.

Gender isn't a designation, it's an indication. Expecting someone to act in accordance to their gender role makes total sense, but confining them to it is idiotic.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 2/3/12 - 4:56:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 2/3/12 - 4:53:14 PM SleepyJean wrote:
Expecting someone to act in accordance to their gender role makes total sense, but confining them to it is idiotic.

That and the rest makes sense. On this bit, I'll add that respect or the lack thereof for these "roles" complicates the matter of accepting/falling into those roles.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 2/3/12 - 5:00:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 2/3/12 - 4:25:30 PM griffin_wf wrote:
I am not a feminist I am an egalitarian. Referring to a desire for gender equality with the name of a single gender is just blatantly contradictory. I don't care how much of a history the term has behind it, using feminism to describe an egalitarian view is simply retarded. Now, if you are referring to academic feminism, there the term is very appropriate...

I don't see how you see it as entirely appropriate in one arena yet completely inappropriate in another.

Don't you think, for example, that gay people are specifically targeted by bigotry enough that the term "gay rights" is a valid distinction from simple "human rights"? Aren't women still subjected to various obstacles, however much improvement there has been?
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 2/3/12 - 5:10:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
I've noticed.

A lot of the stuff that feminist deem 'empowering' is actually just masculinizing.

Feminine empowerment is not about becoming more like men. It's about having equal opportunities and respect to them.

I actually find the way so many 'feminists' disapprove of traditional female lifestyle choices (such as home-making and stay-at-home parenting) while pushing male lifestyle choices (such as being the primary breadwinner or less emotionally-nurturing) to be rather counter-productive to the whole movement.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 2/3/12 - 11:10:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
That's really my focus...
I dislike the devaluing of femininity.
Yes, anyone should be able to be masculine if they please...but I also want femininity to be respected and for both men and women to have the ability to fully express femininity without being viewed as weak and/or shameful. The solution isn't, "okay, let's all put on pantsuits, take off our makeup, and refuse to be homemakers"
If everyone did that, it wouldn't do anything about the real problem - the disrespect of femininity.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 2/3/12 - 11:11:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
Something that IS important is that women also have the ability to be respected while in pantsuits without makeup and without being homemakers...
But women in dresses, makeup, and who are homemakers ALSO need full respect.
AND men should also be able to wear dresses, makeup, and be homemakers if they please.
And all the other combinations!
Pantsuits, makeup, homemakers.
Dresses, no makeup, not a homemaker.
Whatever, whichever. It should be okay.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 2/3/12 - 11:15:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
But also...
I do think the amount of feminists who are anti-homemaking is smaller than people typically think...
They are out there but it seems pretty exaggerated...

But...
Anyway,
That's why I said earlier...some people might argue about whether I'm a feminist...
The whole thing is...
Feminists are very diverse and not all feminists agree about everything.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 2/3/12 - 11:20:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
I work with and for the pussy as often and as hard as I can.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 12:31:41 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 2/3/12 - 4:25:30 PM griffin_wf wrote:
I am not a feminist I am an idiot.


FTFY.

10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 12:33:50 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 2/3/12 - 11:15:24 PM shakira2 wrote:
The whole thing is... Feminists are very diverse and not all feminists agree about everything.


Feminists are diverse, yes.

Feminism is not.

Feminism is simply the belief that neither male nor female is the greater or lesser sex.

It's called "feminism" because it's taking the cause of the oppressed gender. Men don't NEED to be built up - they've already had all the power.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 12:36:30 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 2/4/12 - 12:33:50 AM DoYouWash wrote:
Feminism is not.

here's a long list of all the different varieties of feminism
all of which are obviously actually different names for the exact same thing
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 1:05:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'm not sure. I want equal rights, but I hate it when I hear about Title IX causing schools to spend a lot of money.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 1:08:03 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 2/4/12 - 1:05:26 AM turdboyjoe25 wrote:
I'm not sure. I want equal rights, but I hate it when I hear about Title IX causing schools to spend a lot of money.

lol sorry if equality is too expensive for you
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 3:21:52 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 2/3/12 - 11:11:10 PM shakira2 wrote:
Something that IS important is that women also have the ability to be respected while in pantsuits without makeup and without being homemakers... But women in dresses, makeup, and who are homemakers ALSO need full respect. AND men should also be able to wear dresses, makeup, and be homemakers if they please. And all the other combinations! Pantsuits, makeup, homemakers. Dresses, no makeup, not a homemaker. Whatever, whichever. It should be okay.


No. Not now, not ever. Every society in human history has gender roles of one type or another. Trying to make everyone the same will never happen.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 3:32:40 AM EST (GMT-5)
Um...
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 5:56:11 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 2/2/12 - 6:34:32 PM imagination wrote:
Yeah, you're right guys, it was mean of me to point out my frustration at this condescending attitude.
On Thursday 2/2/12 - 8:49:36 PM Ongooshk wrote:
fwiw, I genuinely was going to try and explain mansplaining to IRL. Wasn't being sarcastic or anything.
On Friday 2/3/12 - 4:52:12 AM IRLIteach wrote:
I still don't know what it means, and think imagination is the one being condescending. As far as I was concerned, we were two people whose genders had nothing to do w/ it and we didn't quite see where each other was coming from.


^I have read and understood this post.

10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 6:48:56 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 2/3/12 - 4:37:10 AM Inquizitor wrote:
is there really any solid proof that women are smarter than men in general? i've met geniuses and idiots from both camps.


In the UK, on average, girls do better in education than boys. More girls go to university, and as a result, the pay gap for under 27's (which is the average age women start a family) has closed and is now off in the other direction- with women earning more than men.

I don't think that this is particularly because women are smarter than men. I think it's a lot more to do with the fact that academia is one of the few levels on which it is socially acceptable for us to compete with our peers.

Developmentally, girls do mature earlier than boys and that allows them to get a lot more out of primary learning, which sets them up for success in secondary, further and higher education.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 6:49:11 AM EST (GMT-5)

Boys get a better learning experience from practical exercises (expensive), and get much less than girls do from learning something straight out of a book (cheap). Funding is an issue.

Boys are more likely to to indulge in disruptive behaviour (which is reinforced by adoption of a 'boys will be boys' attitude to disciplining them), which absorbs a lot of teachers time. Girls are far less likely to do to this, because at that point they're already being socialised towards a neat, quiet, calm feminine ideal.

.... I could go on, there's lots of reasons why it happens, I don't think any of them are because girls really are brighter than boys.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 7:42:00 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 2/4/12 - 5:56:11 AM imagination wrote:
^I have read and understood this post.

But you're still a condescending jackass.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 9:13:21 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 2/4/12 - 5:56:11 AM imagination wrote:
^I have read and understood this post.
On Saturday 2/4/12 - 7:42:00 AM IRLIteach wrote:
But you're still a condescending jackass.

I have also read and understood this.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 9:24:27 AM EST (GMT-5)
I doubt it. You misunderstood my intentions, accused me of being condescending, among other things, and when I clarified instead of rising to it, you didn't have the decency to admit you'd misjudged me.
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 9:28:21 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 2/4/12 - 9:24:27 AM IRLIteach wrote:
I doubt it. You misunderstood my intentions, accused me of being condescending, among other things, and when I clarified instead of rising to it, you didn't have the decency to admit you'd misjudged me.

I read and understood this too.

10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 9:29:08 AM EST (GMT-5)
And now the trolling begins...
10 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 2/4/12 - 10:46:11 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 2/3/12 - 11:11:10 PM shakira2 wrote:
Something that IS important is that women also have the ability to be respected while in pantsuits without makeup and without being homemakers... But women in dresses, makeup, and who are homemakers ALSO need full respect. AND men should also be able to wear dresses, makeup, and be homemakers if they please. And all the other combinations! Pantsuits, makeup, homemakers. Dresses, no makeup, not a homemaker. Whatever, whichever. It should be okay.
On Saturday 2/4/12 - 3:21:52 AM Guilty_Spark wrote:
No. Not now, not ever. Every society in human history has gender roles of one type or another. Trying to make everyone the same will never happen.

KY'know, because as a species, we're developmentally stagnant .

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