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3,034 hits 2.3 (4 votes) Share Favorite | Flag 12 years ago by Raisinman

Should the clock have been shifted 6 hours when it was designed, so that dawn occurs at approximately 12:00 and each hour corresponds to an hour of daylight?
Changing it now is obviously not very practical...


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12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Monday 3/15/10 - 7:29:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
That doesn't seem very practical. Dawn during January is at a very different time than dawn during July. It would have to change every day to correspond. That would be stupid.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Monday 3/15/10 - 8:07:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
Dude... ha... haha... huh?

Dude....that.... would be choice.... dude.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Monday 3/15/10 - 8:50:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
Riiight...ummm...moving on to the next question...
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Monday 3/15/10 - 9:19:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
how is having dawn at 12 more practical than having the sun directly overhead at 12?
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Monday 3/15/10 - 9:22:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
we only get 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of darkness twice a year.

Yes, let's base our clocks on being right every 6 months.

F**king moron...
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Monday 3/15/10 - 11:10:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
There actually are countries that judge time of day relative to daybreak.

However, the further from the equator you are, the less sense it makes.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Tuesday 3/16/10 - 9:32:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 3/15/10 - 7:29:59 PM HaroldtheBat wrote:
That doesn't seem very practical. Dawn during January is at a very different time than dawn during July. It would have to change every day to correspond. That would be stupid.

Do you know what the word "approximately" means? Daylight savings should be able to keep sunrise an hour within 12:00.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Tuesday 3/16/10 - 9:34:49 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 3/15/10 - 9:22:13 PM Brunnen_G wrote:
we only get 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of darkness twice a year. Yes, let's base our clocks on being right every 6 months. F**king moron...

It's better to be "right" every 6 months than never. It makes more sense to base the clock on the start of the day rather than the middle.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Tuesday 3/16/10 - 11:58:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 3/16/10 - 9:32:51 AM Raisinman wrote:
Do you know what the word "approximately" means? Daylight savings should be able to keep sunrise an hour within 12:00.

It would still be stupid, having to change the time to correspond with dawn. You're just pissed because everyone thinks your plan is moronic.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 1:42:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 3/15/10 - 9:22:13 PM Brunnen_G wrote:
we only get 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of darkness twice a year. Yes, let's base our clocks on being right every 6 months. F**king moron...
On Tuesday 3/16/10 - 9:34:49 AM Raisinman wrote:
It's better to be "right" every 6 months than never. It makes more sense to base the clock on the start of the day rather than the middle.

I don't know about your universe, but in my universe a "day" starts at exactly 0:00 o'clock. Seems pretty logical to me.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 1:47:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
The next day doesn't start until I wake up I lost a whole week that way.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 4:13:05 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 3/15/10 - 9:22:13 PM Brunnen_G wrote:
we only get 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of darkness twice a year. Yes, let's base our clocks on being right every 6 months. F**king moron...
On Tuesday 3/16/10 - 9:34:49 AM Raisinman wrote:
It's better to be "right" every 6 months than never. It makes more sense to base the clock on the start of the day rather than the middle.


You do realise that the sun rises at a different time at every point. East, West North and South? Your system might have worked in a neolithic village but on a global scale it's highly impractical.



12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 9:06:05 AM EST (GMT-5)
What?
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 11:32:42 AM EST (GMT-5)
If dawn and sunset were at the same times every day throughout the year at every location on Earth, that would make sense, but it doesn't work that way.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 1:41:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
..............HUH?:-l
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 1:49:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 3/17/10 - 11:32:42 AM Koto wrote:
If dawn and sunset were at the same times every day throughout the year at every location on Earth, that would make sense, but it doesn't work that way.


He isn't proposing that they eliminate time zones...

It seems that sunrise time only varies about two hours over the course of the year- - it really wouldn't be that hard to keep sunrise within an hour of 12:00 in most places...
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 1:58:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
It seems that sunrise time only varies about two hours over the course of the year- Well here sunrise

varies by about 3 hours over the year, the closer to the poles you get the closer it gets to 24.

4.30am in the summer and 7.30am in the winter (by GMT)

The only constant in the sun's movement it its zenith on the meridian. Which is at noon. For his idea to work you would have to have different times zones North to South as well as East to West.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 2:03:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
Exactly.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 2:08:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
Well that's hardly practical.

How many times zones would be required to have any kind of accuracy towards this arbitrary Sunrise time?
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 4:04:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 3/17/10 - 11:32:42 AM Koto wrote:
If dawn and sunset were at the same times every day throughout the year at every location on Earth, that would make sense, but it doesn't work that way.
On Wednesday 3/17/10 - 1:49:00 PM CowDung wrote:
He isn't proposing that they eliminate time zones... It seems that sunrise time only varies about two hours over the course of the year- - it really wouldn't be that hard to keep sunrise within an hour of 12:00 in most places...

It would be nearly impossible to do that. It would mean a constant changing of the clocks.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 4:27:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 3/17/10 - 11:32:42 AM Koto wrote:
If dawn and sunset were at the same times every day throughout the year at every location on Earth, that would make sense, but it doesn't work that way.
On Wednesday 3/17/10 - 1:49:00 PM CowDung wrote:
He isn't proposing that they eliminate time zones... It seems that sunrise time only varies about two hours over the course of the year- - it really wouldn't be that hard to keep sunrise within an hour of 12:00 in most places...
On Wednesday 3/17/10 - 4:04:24 PM Yankees15 wrote:
It would be nearly impossible to do that. It would mean a constant changing of the clocks.


Why would it mean a constant changing of the clocks? If at a certain location the time of sunrise varies only two hours, one would never have to change the clock to keep the sunrise within an hour of 12:00.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 4:48:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 3/17/10 - 2:08:16 PM Boredofu wrote:
Well that's hardly practical. How many times zones would be required to have any kind of accuracy towards this arbitrary Sunrise time?

As many as it takes!

Or, you could just base it on dawn at the equator. Just shift the clock 6 hours, so that the sun's zenith on the meridian is now at 6:00, instead of 12:00. So when it's noon, you're half way through the day! And if you're working from 8:30 to 4:30 it makes perfect sense!
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 4:50:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 3/16/10 - 9:34:49 AM Raisinman wrote:
It's better to be "right" every 6 months than never. It makes more sense to base the clock on the start of the day rather than the middle.

Still, that's using your definition of "right." The abbreviations "a.m." and "p.m." stand for "ante-meridian" and "post-meridian," or, if you will, "before midday" and "after midday." It makes sense, then, that we start the hours over at approximately the middle of the day, as opposed to the much more precise, smaller window for sunrise and sunset.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 7:39:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
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On Wednesday 3/17/10 - 4:27:21 PM CowDung wrote:
Why would it mean a constant changing of the clocks? If at a certain location the time of sunrise varies only two hours, one would never have to change the clock to keep the sunrise within an hour of 12:00.

But as Bored already correctly stated, the farther from the equator you go, the bigger difference between the time of sunrise in summer and winter. There is almost a four hour difference here, and I'm not even that far north.
12 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/17/10 - 8:24:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
In Cowdung's world 2it's only two hours" so that's all that matters.

Maybe they could just have longer hours in Finland.

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