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Was Ho Chi Minh a great leader of Vietnam or a horrible dictator?


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18 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Wednesday 4/2/03 - 3:42:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
He was a racist bastard.
18 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Wednesday 4/2/03 - 3:47:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
lol he rocked though! ho chi minh away! who else inspired the appearance of 'emperor ming' 's charming looking beard look?
18 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Friday 4/11/03 - 1:42:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
Uncle Ho seemed way too popular with his people to be a horrible dictator.
18 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 5/4/03 - 8:29:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
He is well-loved in his country and was against creating a cult of personality after he died. Of course, the Communist Party in Vietnam did not heed that request. Vietnamese refer to him affectionately as 'Bac Ho'---"Uncle Ho". You won't find Chinese doing that in memory of Mao or the Russians doing that for any of their former leaders.
18 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 5/14/03 - 6:11:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
I guess I shouldn't have voted because I just liked his beard.
18 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 5/14/03 - 6:13:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
Russians liked some of their former leaders--Uncle Ho is preserved in a glass coffin--just like Lenin.
18 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 5/14/03 - 6:21:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
how do I know this was tsu...
18 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 5/14/03 - 6:38:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
Uncle Ho killed a lot of innocent Vietnamese for his "revolution". How could he be a great leader?
18 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Sunday 6/15/03 - 10:00:34 AM EST (GMT-5)
he had to have been pretty good if they named a city after him in vietnam
18 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 6/18/03 - 11:17:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
Citizens of Ho Chi Minh City still call their home by the pre-revolution name, Saigon. Southern Vietnam was predominantly non-Communist and those sentiments are still very much around. I have a few business dealings in Vietnam and most people from Saigon roll their eyes when you mention "Uncle Ho".
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 8/2/03 - 9:43:57 AM EST (GMT-5)
Hitler was a very charismatic and popular leader too?
17 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Sunday 12/7/03 - 10:53:20 AM EST (GMT-5)
Well, 80% of Yters say dictator. So it must be true.
17 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Friday 2/6/04 - 6:38:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
During World War II, he fought with American OSS (the forerunners of the CIA) against the Japanese occupation there and then he wrote a declaration of independence from French rule that was inspired by the American version. He even wrote the beginnings of a constitution that was very similar to ours.

In fact OSS officers recommended that Ho be supported after the war and that the French be dumped from returning to rule Indochina (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia). But that was quickly scrapped to appease both the British and French who were eager to hang on to their colonies as if World War II had changed nothing. Because of this, Ho turned to China and the Soviet Union for support in kicking the French out!

Ho Chi Minh was much more a nationalist than a committed Marxist.

17 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Friday 2/6/04 - 6:43:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
great leader-- he just wouldn't let the US tell him what to do after we put him in power
17 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Friday 2/6/04 - 6:47:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
We didn't put him in power. He put himself in power in the North....despite the best efforts of the French (who were thoroughly defeated by the Viet Minh at Dien Bien Phu), the US, and the British to keep him out of power.
17 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Friday 2/6/04 - 6:56:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
ok, i miss spoke, we helped him somehow didn't we, i thought we got rid of the former ruler or something
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Sunday 3/21/04 - 4:59:09 AM EST (GMT-5)
I could make a whole list of horrible dictators who were great leaders,that is who led their countries to greatness though most fell in the end(napoleon,julius ceaser,gingess khan etc...)
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Sunday 3/21/04 - 6:48:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
Some people think that he was a racist bastard because he managed to hold out and win that pathetic war that ruined his country.
16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Friday 1/21/05 - 4:00:57 PM EST (GMT-5)
He was not a horrible dictator as many have tried to make him out to be. He was no Stalin, Mao, or even a Castro.

Ho was a pretty pragmatic leader who was not committed to ideology. You could see that spark of pragmatism when they got rid of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia (who the US and China were supporting, by the way) and by the sweeping reform steps known as 'Doi Moi' that began well before perestroika in the Soviet Union.

He didn't "ruin" his country -- in a sense, he solved their "national problem" by successfully unifying the country (even though he died in 1969 and the country wasn't fully reunified until 1975).

16 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Wednesday 7/13/05 - 12:01:14 AM EST (GMT-5)
He was an extremely effective leader in inspiring his people. It seems that he is still revered in the country.
12 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 4/11/09 - 10:51:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
^ Have you considered the possibility that that reverence might have been fostered by censorship and propaganda?
12 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 4/11/09 - 11:18:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 4/11/09 - 10:51:07 PM azndogma00 wrote:
^ Have you considered the possibility that that reverence might have been fostered by censorship and propaganda?

I have met Viet Namese here who respected him enormously. He was austere in his personal life, and sacrificed much for Vietnam's independence and unity.
12 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Sunday 4/12/09 - 12:47:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
Sorry, but if they respected him, then why would they be "here"- - which I assume you meant was the U.S.- - instead of in Vietnam? Most of the Vietnamese-American citizens here either fled from Vietnam right after the fall of Saigon or were granted immigration to the U.S. by President Ronald Reagan after having served at least five years in re-education camp.
12 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Sunday 4/12/09 - 2:55:55 AM EST (GMT-5)
I guess you missed the part about him dying six years before the fall of Siagon.... and apart from that. People like one particular leader and remaining the the remnants of a war torn country don't have to be muttually inclusive acts.

12 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Sunday 4/12/09 - 1:30:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
Actually, I do know the "part about him dying six years before the fall of Saigon." Unfortunately, most of the world did not realize this fact until many years after Ho Chi Minh's death, mainly because of the censorship and secretiveness of the Vietminh Communist Party- - whose policies Ho Chi Minh set into place. There were many other events that were kept secret- - events that caused the Vietnamese to flee to America. Such secretiveness actually makes the validity of many books on Ho Chi Minh- - whose information were strongly influenced by pro-Vietminh- - conclusively incomplete, and in some ways, implausible. Although the war ended long ago, the war for truth is still ongoing, for many of the "facts" that have been "concluded" about the war still remain unsound.

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