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5,528 hits 3.3 (4 votes) Share Favorite | Flag 9 years ago by VictoryRider

Do you find it odd that nationalism is socially acceptable and that racism isn't?


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9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 2/29/12 - 10:09:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
Let me think about that....

Loving your country compared to hating an entire race of people....

I don't find it odd at all.
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 2/29/12 - 10:14:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think the word you're looking for is xenophobia?
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 2/29/12 - 10:16:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
nationalism goes beyond just love of country. it's a belief that all other countries are less than yours.

i am not sure if it is quite on par with racism though.
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 2/29/12 - 10:19:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 2/29/12 - 10:16:16 PM Disappears wrote:
nationalism goes beyond just love of country. it's a belief that all other countries are less than yours.

since when?
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 2/29/12 - 10:19:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
Nationalism often devolves from loving your country into feeling your country is better than any other country, and then into the idea that every other country (and the inhabitants thereof) is Inferior to yours.

Very much like racism.

Don't you know that all spiks, krauts, hebs, and wops are inferior beings?
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 2/29/12 - 10:21:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think we're confusing nationalism with xenophobia and ethnocentrism
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 2/29/12 - 10:22:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
since when? i dunno. that's the stance i'm assuming the question is referring to, so that's the definition i gave.
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 2/29/12 - 10:56:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
nothing wrong with loving the country you were born in.
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 2/29/12 - 11:31:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
Nationalism is borderline socially unacceptable over here, depending on your definition. In general it's usually talked about as a bad thing.
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 9:24:18 AM EST (GMT-5)
USA USA USA
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 9:28:22 AM EST (GMT-5)
of course it is
nationalism is still the basis we use to decide who it is acceptable to kill en masse, and is no better than any other arbitrary discrimination
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 10:12:28 AM EST (GMT-5)
I do not find it odd that nationalism is tolerated more than racism.
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 10:25:32 AM EST (GMT-5)
I suppose I should rephrase that I don't think it's "odd" in that I understand why it is, but I do find it to be a contradiction in logic
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 11:49:36 AM EST (GMT-5)
is nationalism socially acceptable?
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 4:43:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
So long you're not hating on others, nationalism is perfectly fine.
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 4:48:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 2/29/12 - 11:31:49 PM Mat wrote:
Nationalism is borderline socially unacceptable over here, depending on your definition. In general it's usually talked about as a bad thing.


Yeah, nationalism is considered pretty vulgar and frequently associated with racism and bigotry.

Our culture is very different, though.
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 4:51:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
Not really.
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 4:58:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 3/1/12 - 10:25:32 AM Kungfullama wrote:
I suppose I should rephrase that I don't think it's "odd" in that I understand why it is, but I do find it to be a contradiction in logic

There's too much emotion involved for me to think logic ought to come through it all unaltered.
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 5:10:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
I was really hoping you would post in here, KFL. I Always like reading your posts and your take on things.

9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 5:20:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
Canada has a really weird sense of nationalism.

We feel we're a superior nation because we're made up of people from a lot of nationalities.

So, our nationality is superior to other nationalities because it is made of them.
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 6:14:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
Nationalism broadly defined in academia is simply the belief in nations.

But even so, I do find it odd, but not surprising that it is tolerated.

9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 6:34:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 3/1/12 - 5:10:47 PM VictoryRider wrote:
I was really hoping you would post in here, KFL. I Always like reading your posts and your take on things.

in that case, I feel like I should elaborate on what I think...

racism is usually defined as "the belief that one race is superior to another" but I find that much too narrow. I can't remember the name of the senator, but I recall someone congratulating Obama on being articulate...and while I'm sure said senator wouldn't say he thinks white people are better than black people, the sentiment he's communicating is certainly a racist one. There was also some study (and I hate citing studies without being able to link to them, but I can't remember where I read it) where people *OF ALL RACES* watched two videos of a restaurant, with a server walking around customers, and cooks working in the back. in the first
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 6:34:53 PM EST (GMT-5)

video, all of the employees were white. in the second, they were all black or hispanic. conditions in the restaurant and the service were exactly the same in both, but people of all races reported that the first video of the restaurant seemed cleaner and friendlier. this is one of the reasons you still have white people in the front of restaurants and minorities in the back. it's unconscious on the part of the viewer, because it's been internalized and institutionalized as just part of our consciousness...but it's still racism.

now I mention all of this because I view nationalism much the same way. There are certainly more people in the western world who are likely to say "I am better than people from other countries because my country is the best country" than people who would say the same about their race, but the sort of discrimination and ideology of nationalism is still very much
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 6:35:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
a part of our consciousness. for example, among white supremacists, associating with non-whites is considered "collaborating with the enemy" and makes you a "race traitor". Now let's think of a hypothetical war, where Joe lives in Oceania, and Oceania attacks Eurasia aggressively, solely for its resources. Now, it'd be reasonable for Joe to side with Eurasia, but that makes him a traitor in a nationalist sense, and if caught, he would be hanged. this isn't because what he did was morally wrong, but because he happened to be born in a certain spot on Earth within a certain border drawn hundreds of years prior by people he never met for reasons he doesn't necessarily know or care about.
9 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 3/1/12 - 6:35:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm not saying it's unreasonable for a state to execute someone fighting against them, but I am saying that it's unreasonable (and illogical) to expect a person to support a country simply because they were born in it.

there are more intricacies and exceptions but I'd have to write a whole essay (well, more of one)

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