It's their own f*cking choice if they want to swear, leave them be

Who are the imbeciles who come up with these policies?

Why isn't it 100% for the NO side?

In college? They actually care? and FINES? Jesus

Didn't everyone have that cool teacher in high school who was cool because he would say bad words in his lectures? Yeah, no one gives a sh*t past the age of 9.

That is f*cking stupid.

On Thursday 5/20/10 - 7:25:33 PM lsu90 wrote: Why isn't it 100% for the NO side?

Perhaps because some people believe that institutions should have the right to make their own rules and determine the level of standards that their students are expected to maintain...

On Thursday 5/20/10 - 7:25:33 PM lsu90 wrote: Why isn't it 100% for the NO side?

On Thursday 5/20/10 - 10:21:50 PM CowDung wrote: Perhaps because some people believe that institutions should have the right to make their own rules and determine the level of standards that their students are expected to maintain...

if that was in the questions then you'd be right

the question doesn't say "should colleges BE ALLOWED to fine and/or suspend students for swearing"
it asks if you think they should do it or not


as to my answer: I would never attend a school with such a policy. I'd like to have my education without the heavy-handed thought-sanitation, thanks

I don't think that there is a single correct answer then- - it would depend on the college. Just as some schools find it appropriate to have uniforms or dress codes, a no swearing policy is probably appropriate for some schools...

Absolutely not. College students are adults, they should be able to swear. Even in class.

I've heard of some entire towns who ban swearing in publc. Some group on a boating trip actually got fined for swearing. Granted, it was a family with kids who complained, and it was bad manners on the cussers part. Still, it shouldn't be a criminal offense.

From the story:
"The instructor first threatened to place the student in detention and when the student pointed out (correctly) that the college doesn't have detention, the "flagrant disrespect" charges were made."

Wow, f*ck that imbecile. Detention in a college?

Second, I don't think the rule will stand. The woman in the story is correct in that prior precedent does make it a first amendment issue in cases where it's not a disruption (like yelling in classrooms). Remember, this isn't a high school - public university first amendment standards are the polar opposite of public secondary schools, in that they are forced to respect them, rather than given more leeway to skirt around them for the sake of the "learning environment".

On Thursday 5/20/10 - 10:23:49 PM Kungfullama wrote: the question doesn't say "should colleges BE ALLOWED to fine and/or suspend students for swearing" it asks if you think they should do it or not

W/ that clarification, I would support an institution's *right* to make such a rule, but I would definitely be against the rule itself in *most* circumstances. If it was a seminary, though, it seems like a pretty reasonable rule for them to have.

CD is a p**** for not having the courage to admit that in most cases, such a rule would be very objectionable (though an institutional right).

On Friday 5/21/10 - 8:33:51 AM Malletman wrote: From the story: "The instructor first threatened to place the student in detention and when the student pointed out (correctly) that the college doesn't have detention, the "flagrant disrespect" charges were made." Wow, f*ck that imbecile. Detention in a college?

I agree that detention in college is ridiculous, but I also think it's more a statement about the declining maturity of students in college than it is a statement about how draconian the instructors are. It used to be that college was more exclusive, elite, not available to as many people. I think it's great that it is no longer that way, that pretty much everyone has the opportunity to attend college (not that everyone actually needs to, but that's another issue), but w/ that increased access comes...

Well, the institution in question is a community college, which makes your point about increased access even more relevant. However, I think it also speaks to the integrity of the professor (not just the student) for suggesting something so inane.

...with increased access to college comes some unintended side effects: people w/o the maturity, responsibility, or understanding of college culture and decorum are going to college anyway in greater numbers than before. So it's like certain high school rules are trickling up.

And I don't think everyone can have it both ways: We can't be so approving of increased college accessibility w/o recognizing the effects on the culture of college.

On Friday 5/21/10 - 9:01:19 AM Malletman wrote: I think it also speaks to the integrity of the professor...for suggesting something so inane.

Maybe, but I could see it also as a moment of frustrated desperation. It doesn't make it any less embarrassing, but I don't know that it speaks to integrity beyond the single incident.

The fact that his immediate response to an offense was to suggest a high-school punishment goes a long way (to me) to suggest that this particular prof isn't exactly four-year institution research professor with tenure material.

Then again, that's the case for a lot of profs in community colleges anyway, so it doesn't take much to nudge me into thinking that in this case.

I don't know what evidence we have that it was "immediate." It may have been a "last straw" or the guy "snapped."

I don't think anyone aspiring to be a 4-yr university, tenured professor really thinks classroom management and discipline for high school type offenses is going to be a part of that. I'm definitely not 4-yr uni tenure track material, but I bet I have better classroom management than most such people.

Fair enough that it wasn't immediate. I don't doubt that the student was a royal pain, either, if he's walking up to his prof to say "But you're going to f*ck up my GPA!" unless we've got the rare case of a prof who likes to see that no one in his class makes over a B or C.

Do understand that I'm not knocking a high school instructor for having detention as a punishment option, though (if that's how it comes across). The point is that this situation is a CC, and not a high school, so it just seems outlandish that detention even came to this person's mind at all; at least to my knowledge, instructors probably don't flip back and forth between K-12 and CC levels in one's career for that to be in any position to be an automatic retort.

No, I agree that these are consequences that don't belong at the college level. I just understand why some colleges or individual instructors might be inclined to resort to them in their desperation.

Banning words seems like the antithesis of education. What happens if one of the assigned readings includes swear words? It would make discussing the material particularly difficult.

i'd be doing a life sentence. because this rule is bullsh#$%#$%#$!!!

On Thursday 5/20/10 - 7:05:03 PM gabcab wrote: It's their own f*cking choice if they want to swear, leave them be

Yeah, freedom oof speech. I mean there almost grown up now, EVERYBODY DOES IT. Including me, though not out loud, I'm under 16 I don't give a damn.

No, thats retarded.

On Friday 5/21/10 - 10:23:57 AM Malletman wrote: at least to my knowledge, instructors probably don't flip back and forth between K-12 and CC levels in one's career for that to be in any position to be an automatic retort.

as far as this goes (and I'm not really delving into that dispute, just pointing out) several of my teachers at high school also teach at the local community college at night

Wow, that's interesting, actually.