President Barack Obama absolved CIA officers from prosecution for harsh, painful interrogation of terror suspects Thursday, even as his administration released Bush-era memos graphically detailing - and authorizing - such grim tactics as slamming detainees against walls, waterboarding them and keeping them naked and cold for long periods. Human rights groups and many Obama officials have condemned such methods as torture. Bush officials have vigorously disagreed...

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Do you feel like President Obama talked a big talk about righting the wrongs of the former adminstration, but now he's not walking the walk?
President Barack Obama absolved CIA officers from prosecution for harsh, painful interrogation of terror suspects Thursday, even as his administration released Bush-era memos graphically detailing - and authorizing - such grim tactics as slamming detainees against walls, waterboarding them and keeping them naked and cold for long periods. Human rights groups and many Obama officials have condemned such methods as torture. Bush officials have vigorously disagreed...

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13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 1:04:44 AM EST (GMT-5)
I totally love all that Obama has done. Everyday, he tackles something new. For the first time in decades, I feel hopeful that someday some of our huge problems, created by previous administrations, will be resolved.
Our new president has only been in office 3 months and I have full faith in him. Really!
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 1:13:25 AM EST (GMT-5)
Yes. I believe that the torturers should be prosecuted. Also those involved in fudging up intelligence reports to justify the Iraq invasion.
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 5:51:49 AM EST (GMT-5)
He never said "Dudes, I'm going to do this all in a few weeks and we'll be cool". I presume he's planning to use his full 4-8 years in office to fulfill all his promises.
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 7:34:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 4/17/09 - 1:04:44 AM nwlyfree2003 wrote:
I totally love all that Obama has done. Everyday, he tackles something new. For the first time in decades, I feel hopeful that someday some of our huge problems, created by previous administrations, will be resolved. Our new president has only been in office 3 months and I have full faith in him. Really!


...but what about all the problems that are being caused by our new administration? Aren't you at all concerned about the size of the Obama budget deficits and the high inflation and/or deflation that are sure to result?

13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 7:55:06 AM EST (GMT-5)
No, I think he's doing a good job so far. I mean, he's only been in office for 4 months, he's not a miracle worker.
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 10:39:14 AM EST (GMT-5)
Hell. Yes.

Don't blame me, America, when in 3 years our country will be falling apart at the seams.

Wow.
Watch all the people who like to argue over stupid things reply to this and get their panties in a huge freaking knot.

Oh dear.
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 3:12:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 4/17/09 - 1:04:44 AM nwlyfree2003 wrote:
I totally love all that Obama has done. Everyday, he tackles something new. For the first time in decades, I feel hopeful that someday some of our huge problems, created by previous administrations, will be resolved. Our new president has only been in office 3 months and I have full faith in him. Really!
On Friday 4/17/09 - 7:34:26 AM CowDung wrote:
...but what about all the problems that are being caused by our new administration? Aren't you at all concerned about the size of the Obama budget deficits and the high inflation and/or deflation that are sure to result?

You need to spend a lot of money to fix huge problems.
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 8:34:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
What good is fixing huge problems if we are creating even bigger problems in the process?
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 8:35:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
Obama would be better off telling everyone to max out their credit cards to stimulate the economy...
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 9:11:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 4/17/09 - 8:34:40 PM CowDung wrote:
What good is fixing huge problems if we are creating even bigger problems in the process?

We already have a huge national debt.
I think that it's going to cause more good than bad.

We have to do *something*. We can't just try to let things get better on their own.
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 9:59:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, we don't have to do *something*. Bailing out the banks should be enough to start the recovery. We don't need to multiply the deficits in an attempt to spend our way out of the recession.

We already have a huge national debt, but the deficits will be going from the historical 'norm' that was somewhat manageable to unsustainable. When China decides to collect on the hundreds of billions of dollars of US debt they are holding, the US dollar will become worthless.

Obama's budget will bring us out of the frying pan and into the fire...
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 10:37:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
Or so the republicans pray.

Obama's doing pretty well. Some of the loans are coming back already, the markets improved, and houses are selling again. The deficit has at last become large enough to bother the republicans, who had no idea that it existed until Obama got in. Don't need to explain the why of that.
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 10:53:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
If only it were just the economy that's the problem.

The education system here is laughable.
Millions do not have health insurance.
We are dependent on foreign oil and foreign loans.
Homes are foreclosing because of all the unemployment.

But we should just bail out the banks.
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/17/09 - 10:54:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
Oh, I forgot the thing that's eating up most of our money:

We're caught up in two pointless wars.
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/18/09 - 12:14:42 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 4/17/09 - 10:37:12 PM Thinkerbell wrote:
Or so the republicans pray. Obama's doing pretty well. Some of the loans are coming back already, the markets improved, and houses are selling again. The deficit has at last become large enough to bother the republicans, who had no idea that it existed until Obama got in. Don't need to explain the why of that.


We knew the deficits existed- - but they weren't out of line with what we've had before. The new Obama budget takes them way above where they are currently...
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/18/09 - 12:20:20 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 4/17/09 - 10:53:50 PM Proserpine wrote:
If only it were just the economy that's the problem. The education system here is laughable. Millions do not have health insurance. We are dependent on foreign oil and foreign loans. Homes are foreclosing because of all the unemployment. But we should just bail out the banks.


Homes were foreclosing when unemployment was around 5%. It isn't unemployment that is causing the foreclosures...

We have been pouring more and more money into our education system and it's been getting worse. Blowing the budget and throwing more money at it isn't going to help.

Drilling offshore will help decrease dependence on foreign oil. More nuclear power will also help. Obama seems reluctant to support either. Instead, he wanted to retroactively tax the oil companies because they made "too much" money last year...
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/18/09 - 12:54:18 AM EST (GMT-5)
They aren't spnding the money correctly. No Child Left Behind completely screwed our schools over. What we need is to get rid of incompetent teachers, make it so that education happens on a more individual basis instead of treating everyone the same, and make it so that you can get a good job with a high school diploma.

I agree that nuclear power should be implemented more, as well as the use of other replenishable resources.

They did make too much money. They would have kept jacking up the price of gas if the same amount of people would keep buying.
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/18/09 - 1:02:27 AM EST (GMT-5)
A bit more control is needed.
I really think a lot of people bought way to much into his campaign. He is not going to snap his fingers and fix everything.
Things need to be changed. But you know make it harder for me to live and over tax any vice I might have and people will find there own ways.
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/18/09 - 1:04:11 AM EST (GMT-5)
People really annoy me when they say "Things aren't fixed!!"

Duh. They're probably going to take a few more dips before they get better.
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/18/09 - 7:47:55 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 4/18/09 - 12:54:18 AM Proserpine wrote:
No Child Left Behind completely screwed our schools over. What we need is to get rid of incompetent teachers, ... and make it so that you can get a good job with a high school diploma. I agree that nuclear power should be implemented more, as well as the use of other replenishable resources. They did make too much money. They would have kept jacking up the price of gas if the same amount of people would keep buying.


They didn't make "too much" money. The price of gas reflected the price of oil. Their profit margins didn't grow at all.

Our schools have been crappy for a long time before No Child Left Behind. Yes we should be getting rid of incompetent teachers- - unfortunately the teacher's Union doesn't look favorable on such ideas. Guess which party they control?

13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/18/09 - 7:48:11 AM EST (GMT-5)
What kind of good jobs do you expect that one could get with just a high school diploma?
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/18/09 - 10:37:06 AM EST (GMT-5)
it seems like he is still campaigning for his presidency. he is already elected but still talking about Bush and his failed policies. I hear him talk more about Bush's policies than how he is going to fix America
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/18/09 - 10:50:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 4/18/09 - 12:20:20 AM CowDung wrote:
Homes were foreclosing when unemployment was around 5%. It isn't unemployment that is causing the foreclosures...

Of course there will ALWAYS be foreclosures, but you can't deny that people losing their income contributes to there being MORE of them...that's pretty simple economics. Maybe not THE cause, but *A* cause.
On Saturday 4/18/09 - 7:47:55 AM CowDung wrote:
They didn't make "too much" money. The price of gas reflected the price of oil. Their profit margins didn't grow at all.

And now that oil has dropped significantly in price from the $4/gal. days? They're perfectly happy to hang on to the extra savings instead of passing them along to the consumer. I STILL pay $2/gal., which sure, is better, but at $50/barrel instead of almost $150, it's more than we SHOULD be paying.


13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/18/09 - 10:50:24 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 4/18/09 - 1:04:11 AM Proserpine wrote:
People really annoy me when they say "Things aren't fixed!!" Duh. They're probably going to take a few more dips before they get better.


I feel like nobody read the article ... this has nothing to do with the economy, it has to do with his pardoning Bush/Cheney/etc. and their history of illegal torture.
13 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/18/09 - 10:56:44 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 4/18/09 - 10:50:24 AM KikiPeepers wrote:
I feel like nobody read the article ... this has nothing to do with the economy, it has to do with his pardoning Bush/Cheney/etc. and their history of illegal torture.


The article is specifically about torture, but your question is worded very generally.
Perhaps if you wanted to keep the discussion focused solely on torture, you should have used more specific wording.
(And, I mean, good luck trying to direct a discussion here anyway - you've been here long enough to know how impossible that is, I would hope.)

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