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593 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 13 years ago by KikiPeepers

Is logic debatable?


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13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 1/15/09 - 11:00:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
My logic isn't - my logic is awesome!

But everyone else's is debatable
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 1/15/09 - 11:07:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
Everything is debatable!
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 1/15/09 - 11:24:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
it just warms my heart to see KikiPeeps still around. Shes amazing. Id debate her logic anyday of the week! oh yeah! jk you
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 1/15/09 - 11:25:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 1/15/09 - 11:24:02 PM Noichberg wrote:
you


i mean no, it is not.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 1/15/09 - 11:42:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 1/15/09 - 11:07:50 PM handys003 wrote:
Everything is debatable!

QFT
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 1/15/09 - 11:43:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
Love the cartoons. And I agree, everything is debatable.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Thursday 1/15/09 - 11:51:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
supposedly, hard logic as as undebateable as math.

However, some people find math debatable, so
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Friday 1/16/09 - 10:42:52 AM EST (GMT-5)
Of course, if we're talking about epistemology, since there are many branches and one could take the stance of any perspective.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Friday 1/16/09 - 11:39:07 AM EST (GMT-5)
In terms of deductive reasoning (which some would argue is the only valid/"logical" form of logical reasoning), the conclusion is a *necessary* result of the premises, so there isn't really much way to debate it.

That doesn't mean the premises are true of course. Garbage in, garbage out, as the computer folk say.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Friday 1/16/09 - 11:59:11 AM EST (GMT-5)
Logic is always affected by one's bias.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Friday 1/16/09 - 11:59:39 AM EST (GMT-5)
And I was going to post a question like this.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Friday 1/16/09 - 12:13:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 1/16/09 - 11:59:11 AM kickass9 wrote:
Logic is always affected by one's bias.

not pure logic, though.

If I'm wrong, tell me.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Friday 1/16/09 - 12:28:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
That depends on what the logic is
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Friday 1/16/09 - 1:48:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
Logic is an essential component in a debate. I don't know of any debate that doesn't compose of logic. So of course it is debateable, especially circular logic. It doesn't mean it has to be an absolute.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Friday 1/16/09 - 2:33:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 1/16/09 - 10:42:52 AM pbnj wrote:
Of course, if we're talking about epistemology, since there are many branches and one could take the stance of any perspective.


Epistemology isn't logic; it's a branch of philosophy.

On the question, debate does exist in logic. For example, paraconsistent logics are systems of logic that can "tolerate" contradictions (that is, they reject the principle of non-contradiction). These systems don't have many supporters, but such do exist. Also, there are various systems of modal logic, some of which are controversial - it is therefore debateable which is the right one (eg, S4, in which modality is not transitive across possible worlds, versus S5, in which it is).
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Friday 1/16/09 - 2:34:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
However, "everyday" logic isn't debateable; it's needed even to formulate an argument for paraconsistent logic (and, in my opinion, that's one of the ways it undercuts itself, as a consequence).
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Saturday 1/17/09 - 12:56:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
Logic is debatable.

Facts aren't.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Saturday 1/17/09 - 1:07:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
Darnit, kyry beat me to it.

I'll still cite the often used example to undermine basic sentential logic, though:
According to quantum logic, one can have P&(AvB) =/= (P&A)v(P&B). Have P represent the velocity of a particle, and A represent a position that particle could be holding, and B representing the negative of A. Given P as true, then the first side is true, but the latter is false as a consequence of the uncertainty principle. (The distributive law fails.)

Not that I'm well enough versed in different forms of logics to see that as more than a curiosity at this point, though.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Saturday 1/17/09 - 9:26:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 1/16/09 - 11:59:11 AM kickass9 wrote:
Logic is always affected by one's bias.
On Friday 1/16/09 - 12:13:49 PM mynameismike wrote:
not pure logic, though. If I'm wrong, tell me.


I see where you come from. But people might have different definitions of "pure logic".
13 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Monday 2/9/09 - 9:52:39 AM EST (GMT-5)
no. at least not mine
13 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 2/18/09 - 10:00:09 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 1/15/09 - 11:07:50 PM handys003 wrote:
Everything is debatable!

Agreed!



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