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Are we our brains?
In other words, does our brain make up the essence of who we are? Is the soul part of the brain? (if you believe we have souls)


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14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 3/26/08 - 3:39:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think it's more ephemeral than suggesting the sum and total of what is 'self' is an organ. Sure, it might be [in part] thoughts, memories or feelings - chemical processes that involve the brain, but it isn't the organ, it's what takes place there and how it relates to the world at large, for me.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 3/26/08 - 4:37:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
Naaaa, your soul is your essense therefore it is you not part of you
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 3/26/08 - 5:11:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
Nope... The brain is just the powehouse of thoughts and other random stuff...
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 3/26/08 - 5:13:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2008-03-26 17:11:10.22 tyrrell03049 wrote:
Nope... The brain is just the powehouse of thoughts and other random stuff...

The brain is everything but random. I think it is us.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 3/26/08 - 5:16:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2008-03-26 17:11:10.22 tyrrell03049 wrote:
Nope... The brain is just the powehouse of thoughts and other random stuff...


Out of curiosity, what do you consider to be "you" that isn't your thoughts and whatever random stuff means?
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 3/26/08 - 5:25:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think I'm my left foot. the rest is just stuff attached to me
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 3/26/08 - 5:31:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
Though to answer the question, yes, the subjective "I" that we consider our conscious self is created and maintained by our brain.

Though similarly to what (I think) chips said, it isn't to be seen as simply the box within which "I" exist, it is the capacity by which we operate. The brain is a constantly interactive thing and is shaped by experience as well as specifying how things are experienced.

I don't believe in a soul, and I don't really see how it fits in really. Descartes went by the soul controls the body through the brain, but thats been mostly done away with nowadays. I don't think you can really specify the soul as having any causal role in behaviour, so you're left with something that either duplicates "I" or is something separate altogether.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 3/26/08 - 7:50:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think the your soul is more of "who you are" than the brain.
Though the brain definitely makes up a large part of who we are.

I'm not thinking that made much sense, but oh well.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 3/26/08 - 9:02:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
^ So what is "who you are"?
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 3/26/08 - 10:23:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
This question is nearly Impossible to answer..In fact,for me it is..
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 3/26/08 - 10:40:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think the brain is the primary seat of conciousness, and the aforementioned individual experiences also play a major factor in who we are. That ties back to the brain because its what processes all the experiences.

The soul is a concept that might never be proven (or disproven)- best to stick with what we know.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Wednesday 3/26/08 - 11:33:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't think the role of the body can be excluded in determining ones self. How your brain functions is very much related to how you treat your body, and perhaps how you and others view your body. As for the soul, I need to do a great deal of meditation before I can speak of such things. I don't believe in intangible things for no reason, but I do think it may be possible to experience spirit in life, I just haven't done it yet. Until than, I am a brain and a body, my soul, if it exists, is neglected.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 3/28/08 - 4:02:33 AM EST (GMT-5)
The brain is just the bit that makes sense of your body. Have you heard about the organ donors who end up "passing on" feelings, memories and likes/dislikes? I believe there's a bit of stored in all our memories but our soul is contained metaphorically in the heart. That when our hearts first start beating (25 day old foetus) that's when we get our souls and when life starts. Brains come along much later. Sure, they're useful, but they're not nearly as much as they're cracked up to be.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 3/28/08 - 1:43:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2008-03-28 04:02:33.127 Terrika wrote:
I believe there's a bit of stored in all our memories but our soul is contained metaphorically in the heart. That when our hearts first start beating (25 day old foetus) that's when we get our souls and when life starts. Brains come along much later.


Don't you need a brain for your heart to beat? And the Bible says that our souls were made before we are even concieved - even before our parents were concievved.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 3/28/08 - 4:00:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
Speaking as a zombie, yes, yes you ARE your delicious brains.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 3/29/08 - 10:25:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
hmmmmm. I have no idea.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 4/1/08 - 12:30:20 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 2008-03-28 13:43:19.783 KikiPeepers wrote:
On 2008-03-28 04:02:33.127 Terrika wrote:
I believe there's a bit of stored in all our memories but our soul is contained metaphorically in the heart. That when our hearts first start beating (25 day old foetus) that's when we get our souls and when life starts. Brains come along much later.
Don't you need a brain for your heart to beat? And the Bible says that our souls were made before we are even concieved - even before our parents were concievved.

does it really? and there' s no reincarnation? so are there an infinite number of souls in the christian view? or is there a predetermined number of people that will ever live?
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 4/1/08 - 12:51:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's pre-determined - that's why Christians don't believe in abortion. The Bible says our names and our souls are known before we are even physically 'made'.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 4/1/08 - 12:55:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2008-04-01 12:51:07.847 KikiPeepers wrote:
It's pre-determined - that's why Christians don't believe in abortion.


Does that mean that if someone dies before having children, all of the progeny they would have had (had they not died) are, effectively, disembodied souls?
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 4/1/08 - 1:25:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, if they were meant to die before having children, then that's that. There are no future souls that were waiting to be born from them.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 4/1/08 - 1:38:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2008-04-01 13:25:54.613 KikiPeepers wrote:
No, if they were meant to die before having children, then that's that. There are no future souls that were waiting to be born from them.


The implication of that is full determinism, so why is it that "Christians don't believe in abortion"?
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 4/1/08 - 2:09:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't think you're getting it. You probably never would, you seem to have a closed mind when it comes to religion.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 4/1/08 - 2:22:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2008-04-01 14:09:32.613 KikiPeepers wrote:
I don't think you're getting it. You probably never would, you seem to have a closed mind when it comes to religion.


Nice cop out.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 4/1/08 - 3:17:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2008-04-01 14:09:32.613 KikiPeepers wrote:
I don't think you're getting it. You probably never would, you seem to have a closed mind when it comes to religion.

thinking logically and having a closed mind are two very separate things. if you believe that some people are "meant to die before having children," than you must also believe that aborted babies were meant to be aborted. as kyry said, that is determinism. you either have determinism, or you don't, even if that means that god planned for some people to have abortions.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 4/1/08 - 6:12:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2008-04-01 14:09:32.613 KikiPeepers wrote:
I don't think you're getting it.


I'm asking you to explain your belief, plain and simple. It is a belief which, on the face of it, seems flatly inconsistent; the question is, can you answer my question and explain it?

On 2008-04-01 14:09:32.613 KikiPeepers wrote:
You probably never would, you seem to have a closed mind when it comes to religion.


What a moronic thing to say. Do you have any reason whatsoever to think this, or is it just a cop-out as Isthiezak says?

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