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885 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 13 years ago by MelLowStar

Should people be forced to take tests measuring their logical thinking abilities before they are eligible for jury duty?


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13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Saturday 2/2/08 - 9:01:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
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13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Saturday 2/2/08 - 9:03:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm honestly not sure.

Obviously, were I on trial, I could say I would wish for the most enlightened people on the planet, hopefully with many, many scientific and behavioural degrees between them [assuming my innocence :], but I think that might take away from the 'everyman' quality of a jury, which I think is also important.

There are many types of thinking I would wish for in my jury, and logic, although important, is but one of them.
13 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Saturday 2/2/08 - 9:05:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2008-02-02 21:01:48.75 guitargod1 wrote:
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If you don't like it, or are unable to answer it, skip it.

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13 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Tuesday 3/4/08 - 10:03:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
No. I think such a measure is simply elitist. By making jury duty only available to those able to pass a test, it would people the right to a jury by their peers.
13 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 3/7/08 - 5:45:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2008-03-04 22:03:03.797 griffin_wf wrote:
. By making jury duty only available to those able to pass a test....


You make it sound as though jury duty is such a fun, fulfilling activity that people would be disenfranchised by not being able to participate. Considering the fact that most people consider jury duty a nasty chore, I wouldn't worry about that.

I wouldn't call the test elitist, either. Different roles are restricted to people who are able to perform/understand certain tasks, and rightfully so.

I'm sure you'd prefer prospective doctors undergo rigorous tests to weed out incompetent ones before they're allowed to operate on you, so why wouldn't you want the same restrictions in place for a group of people who'll ponder the details of your case before deciding whether you go to prison?
13 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 3/7/08 - 5:54:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2008-02-02 21:03:35.533 chips2001 wrote:
but I think that might take away from the 'everyman' quality of a jury, which I think is also important.


This is the issue I think. The basis of a jury is to be judged by your peers, those who are more or less equal to you and can as such judge the situation and actions.

As far as I'm aware, mentally disabled people can't sit on a jury now, what standards should we set beyond that? If we start specifying who is fit to judge, then I do think elitism could be an issue.
13 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 3/7/08 - 6:18:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
No. It's a good idea in theory, but in practice I suspect it would be abused, just like literacy tests were historically used to prevent black people from voting.
13 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/19/08 - 11:38:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 2008-03-07 17:45:02.163 MelLowStar wrote:
On 2008-03-04 22:03:03.797 griffin_wf wrote:
. By making jury duty only available to those able to pass a test....
You make it sound as though jury duty is such a fun, fulfilling activity that people would be disenfranchised by not being able to participate. Considering the fact that most people consider jury duty a nasty chore, I wouldn't worry about that.


The fact of the matter is, jury duty gives power to those who serve on it. They may not enjoy jury duty, but by denying some the right to serve on it you are denying them the chance to obtain that power.

13 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/19/08 - 11:41:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
[/quote] I wouldn't call the test elitist, either. Different roles are restricted to people who are able to perform/understand certain tasks, and rightfully so. I'm sure you'd prefer prospective doctors undergo rigorous tests to weed out incompetent ones before they're allowed to operate on you, so why wouldn't you want the same restrictions in place for a group of people who'll ponder the details of your case before deciding whether you go to prison? [/quote]

There's a difference though. In the doctors profession, it is not only a private function but it is also a skilled profession. A test is needed for doctors because the skills a doctor uses need be taught and are not possessed by the majority of the population. Few people can do the things a doctor can, thus a test is necessary.
13 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 3/19/08 - 11:49:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
However, jury duty is different. Unlike the job of a doctor, jury duty is a public endeavor and thus those serving on jury duty are more or less serving the government. In the private sphere of a doctor, elitism is something to be encouraged, for a society needs their doctors to be as able and competent as possible. However, elitism should be discouraged in the social and public spheres for it merely suppresses the rights of another. With the case of a test for doctors, the test oppresses no one for everyone (theoretically) has an equal opportunity to pass it. If someone were to fail that test, they could always study harder and try again. With a logic test, one's outcome is already decided before the test is administered. One cannot really make their mind more logical by studying or working at it, thus a logic test would exclude a set amount of people from activity in the public sphere
13 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 4/18/08 - 10:43:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
No. People are randomly picked for jury duty, and they weed out those they feel aren't *eligible* for a jury before the trial. They can't read minds, so this is part of the reason they do so.
13 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Saturday 4/19/08 - 3:40:18 AM EST (GMT-5)
Peers. They're PEERS. Not super intelligent people. I think it should stay that way.
13 yrs ago - Wednesday 6/11/08 - 12:45:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
yes, that would speed things up quite a bit, i think
13 yrs ago - Friday 6/20/08 - 5:04:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
Logic isn't the only thing jury members should have, so no.
13 yrs ago - Friday 6/20/08 - 5:23:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
this'd completely ruin my emotional appeal strategy i have all mapped out
13 yrs ago - Friday 6/20/08 - 5:45:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/7/08 - 5:45:02 PM MelLowStar wrote:
You make it sound as though jury duty is such a fun, fulfilling activity that people would be disenfranchised by not being able to participate. Considering the fact that most people consider jury duty a nasty chore, I wouldn't worry about that.

On the contrary, I consider jury duty like voting: an inconvenience, perhaps, but a responsibility that should be granted to all citizens. I will trust my lawyer to weed out incompetent jurors, who still pose far less of a threat to my well being (or society's, as the case may be) than do jurors who fail to be impartial.
13 yrs ago - Friday 6/20/08 - 7:29:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
Sure, and let's do the same with voters. Like this would ever be possible.



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