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1,161 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 14 years ago by KikiPeepers

Would you consider voting for Ron Paul in the 2008 US elections?
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14 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Tuesday 10/23/07 - 1:42:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
No. The man’s a lunatic.
14 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Tuesday 10/23/07 - 3:08:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
How so?
14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Tuesday 10/23/07 - 4:55:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 10/23/2007 3:08:46 PM KikiPeepers wrote:
How so?

He wants to put the US back on the gold standard. Believes that income tax is unconstitutional (It’s not.). Believes in the 9/11 conspiracy theories. Plus he’s a Libertarian, and I’ve never met a Libertarian who wasn’t a nut.

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Tuesday 10/23/07 - 5:03:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
^ditto to all of 62's reasons...
14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Tuesday 10/23/07 - 10:45:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
What's the gold standard? As far as 9/11, I do believe we are missing part of the story ... and he does lean Libertarian, he's really just old-school GOP
14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Tuesday 10/23/07 - 11:21:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
KikiPeepers wrote:
What's the gold standard?
IIRC up until the early 70’s all money in circulation was equal to the amount of gold in the Federal Reserve.

As far as 9/11, I do believe we are missing part of the story ... and he does lean Libertarian, he's really just old-school GOP
I agree wholeheartedly, but Ron Paul believes in that crazy black helicopter, loose change BS.

and he does lean Libertarian,
That’s what scares me…

he's really just old-school GOP
If by old school you mean late 19th century, then yes he is an old school Republitard.

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Tuesday 10/23/07 - 11:22:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 10/23/2007 10:45:22 PM KikiPeepers wrote:
What's the gold standard? As far as 9/11, I do believe we are missing part of the story ... and he does lean Libertarian, he's really just old-school GOP

IIRC up until the early 70’s all money in circulation was equal to the amount of gold in the Federal Reserve.

I agree wholeheartedly, but Ron Paul believes in that crazy black helicopter, loose change BS.


That’s what scares me…


If by old school you mean late 19th century, then yes he is an old school Republitard.

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Wednesday 10/24/07 - 10:33:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
I think 62 is a robot programed to auto respond and someone needs to change his fluids...

Ron Paul is a diehard libertarian, Kiki...

there's one thing to have libertarian principles, there's another to think we should dismantle the Union and do away with the federal government entirely...
the latter is Paul's camp...

and I would argue that he's more oldskool democrat than republican in certain policy aspects... he's protectionist and isolationist both in trade and political affairs... he was more Carter/Clinton than Reagan/Bush...

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Wednesday 10/24/07 - 10:39:36 AM EST (GMT-5)
^ I'd say he is more Pat Buchanan in regards to being a protectionist and isolationist.

Clinton was anything, but definitely not an isolationist or protectionist.

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Wednesday 10/24/07 - 11:23:32 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 10/24/2007 10:33:54 AM delmar3432 wrote:
there's one thing to have libertarian principles, there's another to think we should dismantle the Union and do away with the federal government entirely... the latter is Paul's camp... and I would argue that he's more oldskool democrat than republican in certain policy aspects...

To be perfectly frank, the dismantle The Union bull sh*t is very Libertarian. That’s one of the reasons why those f*cks are so dangerous.

And yes he is ideologically similar to a pre New Deal Democrat. They’re both insane and they both haven’t a chance of getting elected.

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Wednesday 10/24/07 - 6:41:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 10/24/2007 10:39:37 AM DoMo wrote:
^ I'd say he is more Pat Buchanan in regards to being a protectionist and isolationist. Clinton was anything, but definitely not an isolationist or protectionist.

no? trade was more restricted under clinton and his ineffective management of global affairs is what led to the situation in the middle east and Asia...

though you could argue that HW Bush is ultimately responsible for Iraq...

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Thursday 10/25/07 - 5:10:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
While I'm a registered Republican, a lot of times I agree with Libertarians - maybe that's why I like what he has to offer a lot. Getting rid of the IRS and the government is going a bit far, but he seems to be very into preserving the Constitution so I can't see him changing the fundamental layout of our government. I'm not understanding what would happen if the IRS went away. We'd just have to pay higher sales taxes, wouldn't we?

But I like small government, little foreign intervention (unless done with the UN) and letting states have more power. The fact states can make laws, like making medical marijuana or gay marriage legal, but they get superceded by federal law - that's never made sense to me.

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Thursday 10/25/07 - 5:47:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
Kiki it’s called the Union for a reason. We need a centralized government. We tried to have something similar to what you described (google Articles of Confederation) and we ended up with a decade of near-anarchy.
14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Thursday 10/25/07 - 10:29:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
I believe we should all be united under basic laws, and that the Constitution should be upheld. But I think states aren't given enough freedom - the federal government too often withholds funding if states don't go along with the rest of the country.
14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Thursday 10/25/07 - 10:44:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
ok... so you want the fed to give states money but exhibit less control over how it's spent...


no libertarian would stand for that kind of hypocrisy....

they would kick you out of the bomb shelter...

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Thursday 10/25/07 - 10:48:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
I like Libertarian ideals for social issues, but when it comes to practicality, they fall short.

I like him, but honestly I think he'd leave the entire country in shambles.

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Thursday 10/25/07 - 10:58:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
"no? trade was more restricted under clinton and his ineffective management of global affairs is what led to the situation in the middle east and Asia..."

you don't think it has more to do with our supporting the regimes which are now labeled "terrorist" from the 50s and into the 80s?

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Thursday 10/25/07 - 11:16:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
lol, so Clinton's deals with the Chinese were kosher?

Clinton was completely ineffective at stabalizing the situation in the middle east... and we all know how that turned out..

he bowed to N. Korean blackmale by offering them a nuclear plant which he never could provide, therefore inheriting this problem to his successor...

he never fully implemented NAFTA...

the list goes on and on... Clinton may have done moderately well domestically, but he left the world in a far worse condition than he found it...

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 10/26/07 - 2:31:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
No. He is basically an out of touch ideologue, and one very far removed from my political views and objectives.
14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 10/26/07 - 11:06:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 10/25/2007 10:44:04 PM delmar3432 wrote:
ok... so you want the fed to give states money but exhibit less control over how it's spent... no libertarian would stand for that kind of hypocrisy.... they would kick you out of the bomb shelter...

Ha! Well I'm not a Libertarian so that's okay. I just like some of their philosophies.

I do think the government should give some funding to states and still allow them to make their own laws - and the government should be there for disaster relief, etc. But overall I think states should govern themselves.

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 10/26/07 - 11:17:23 AM EST (GMT-5)
if you want to strengthen states rights, the way to do it is to cut dependency on the fed...

lessening how much government funding is dealt out or collected in taxes will increase the liability of state government...

a true libertarian would do away with the fed entirely... but a libertarian leaning fiscal conservative would just advocate financial independence from the fed...

this "give us more money" policy you follow is something in the lines of the DNC...

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 10/26/07 - 11:25:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
What's a 'give us more money' policy?
14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 10/26/07 - 11:29:45 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 10/24/2007 10:33:54 AM delmar3432 wrote:
I think 62 is a robot programed to auto respond and someone needs to change his fluids...
#16
14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 10/26/07 - 11:30:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
california for example...
high demand for federal funding, social welfare programs, earmarks, and pork spending resulting in higher taxes...

what I don't understand is if these things are important to them, why not just fund it at the state level? why ask the fed for money?

14 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 10/26/07 - 11:57:46 AM EST (GMT-5)
It doesn't matter who votes for who, the elections are controlled by the Illuminati; they choose the President based on their Royal Blood.

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