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Are you a perdurantist or endurantist? Endurantists believe people and things are the same things throughout the whole of their existence while perdurantists believe at every moment they are different, like frames of a movie.

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mat Male, 18-29 Europe Joined: 17 yrs, 9 mos ago 11,029 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Tuesday 8/28/07 - 4:08:07 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message I made up perdurantism for myself one day and just recently found out what it's called. I thought I might've been the first to think of it because I'd never heard of it before.
sk8er10 Female, 13-17 Midwest US Joined: 14 yrs, 4 mos ago 24 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 9/2/07 - 1:28:52 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message i dont get it
GreyHaven Male, 18-29 Midwest US Joined: 15 yrs, 1 mos ago 16,495 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 9/2/07 - 5:01:53 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message It doesn't matter how we think we perceive reality because it is in a constant state of change.
chips2001 moderator Female, 40-49 Europe Joined: 16 yrs, 9 mos ago 80,348 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 9/2/07 - 5:35:24 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message I'm a perdurantist. My thoughts, opinions, relationships are ever shifting and fluid. The only constant with my opinions, is that there is no real constant.
keeny Female, 13-17 Canada Joined: 15 yrs ago 939 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 9/2/07 - 6:04:54 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message um, probably and pendurantist, i think
Qpax Male, 18-29 Europe Joined: 17 yrs, 3 mos ago 3,482 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 9/2/07 - 6:52:50 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message Funny, I was thinking about this yesterday. But I didn't come to a conclusion.
sabastian Female, 30-39 Southern US Joined: 18 yrs, 10 mos ago 3,011 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 9/2/07 - 10:00:22 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message definatly a penduranitist. things are constantly changing, i see no other way
psyndrone Male, 40-49 Eastern US Joined: 15 yrs, 3 mos ago 32,688 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 9/2/07 - 10:07:08 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message On 9/2/2007 1:28:53 PM sk8er10 wrote: i dont get it The definitions are written in plain English, what don't you get? Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'm a endurantist.
ClashRocker Female, 18-29 Midwest US Joined: 17 yrs, 3 mos ago 40,031 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 9/3/07 - 5:26:16 AM EST (GMT-5) quote message Endurantism makes more sense to me personally, but I'm still slightly confused.
Avant-garde Male, 18-29 Europe Joined: 16 yrs, 2 mos ago 22,942 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 9/5/07 - 2:24:29 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message I would say both. Although my thoughts are fluid and so are my relationships and many elements of my day to day experience. I still possess a body and the earth is still in existence. The sun will rise tomorrow for my existence etc.
chikoori Female, 70+ Western US Joined: 17 yrs ago 5,442 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 9/5/07 - 2:33:24 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message Huh. I'd definitely say I'm more of a perduranist. Things change all the time.
greegor Male, 40-49 S. America Joined: 18 yrs, 3 mos ago 1,208 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 9/5/07 - 6:11:17 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message You can never step in the same river twice.
mat Male, 18-29 Europe Joined: 17 yrs, 9 mos ago 11,029 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 9/5/07 - 6:21:34 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message On 9/5/2007 6:11:17 PM greegor wrote: You can never step in the same river twice. But can you step in the same box twice?
tharith Male, 18-29 Eastern US Joined: 15 yrs, 3 mos ago 218 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Wednesday 9/5/07 - 9:56:15 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message the second time u step in the box, itd be a box that was stepped in. Is he still spider-pig when walking on the floor?
jf2k2rj Male, 30-39 Midwest US Joined: 18 yrs ago 5,432 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Friday 9/7/07 - 2:29:33 AM EST (GMT-5) quote message Mm, this question excites me almost as much as the time I discovered I would no doubt back Parmenides in one of his arguments. I hereby select Endurantist; the WHOLE of the existence is the key here. No parts, as most subjectively oriented reasoning would have it. The frame is the subdivision of time, and it's just as much a whole as any broader whole, which can't be measured anyway. There doesn't seem to be any real meat to the perdurantist side. But that's just me... because I am crazy nuts like that.
cndngirl Female, 18-29 Canada Joined: 15 yrs, 6 mos ago 173 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Saturday 9/8/07 - 1:10:20 AM EST (GMT-5) quote message honestly, I'm sick of seeing this question every 2 minutes!
pennywise Male, 18-29 Midwest US Joined: 18 yrs, 2 mos ago 14,518 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Saturday 9/8/07 - 12:12:17 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message endurantist. everything living is always changing.
HilaryH Female, 13-17 Western US Joined: 15 yrs, 2 mos ago 3,202 Posts	14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Saturday 9/8/07 - 11:45:33 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message I can be a bit of both at times, just depends on how cynical I'm feeling.
heatherlw Female, 18-29 Western US Joined: 16 yrs, 10 mos ago 31,470 Posts	13 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Thursday 5/1/08 - 11:29:29 PM EST (GMT-5) quote message I've seen things from both perspectives at different points in my life.

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