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705 hits 3.0 (1 vote) Share Favorite | Flag 14 years ago by MelLowStar

A man is told that if he doesn`t renounce his ideals, he`ll be put to death. If he chooses to stick to his ideals and is killed, do you consider him to have committed suicide?
Note that I`m not asking whether you consider his decision morally equal to suicide; I`m just asking whether you consider his death to be a suicide.


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14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Monday 5/7/07 - 7:32:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
Since suicide is the intentional taking of one's own life, I would say "yes," but... loosely?

The person who executed the man committed the physical act of murder. The man *could* have chosen to continue living, though, so he made the choice to die then and there.

Yeah. I'd say suicide.

14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 5/8/07 - 4:59:52 AM EST (GMT-5)
No, it's still murder. You can't force somebody to change their ideals even if you threaten them.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 5/8/07 - 5:29:15 AM EST (GMT-5)
No. If we call that suicide, where do we stop? Did martyrs commit suicide? Is a DNR agreement pre-planned suicide? Is not exercising enough a long, slow suicide? Is deciding to stop chemo and go home to die suicide?
A key ingredient to the social taboo on suicide is the loss of hope. Someone willingly accepting death for the sake of some higher principle seems to still believe in hope to me.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 5/8/07 - 7:03:48 AM EST (GMT-5)
So, by that logic, Nathan Hale should have been committed to an insane asylum as a threat to himself for uttering the following words:
"I only regret, that I have but one life to lose for my country."

I don't think so.

14 yrs ago - Wednesday 5/30/07 - 5:39:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
Consentual Murder
13 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Thursday 8/9/07 - 10:36:40 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 5/7/2007 7:32:02 PM MoltoAgitato wrote:
Since suicide is the intentional taking of one's own life, I would say "yes," but... loosely? The person who executed the man committed the physical act of murder. The man *could* have chosen to continue living, though, so he made the choice to die then and there. Yeah. I'd say suicide.

You mention the word "intention". This implies the person's purpose or desire was to die. Which obviously isn't the case, and why I would definitely NOT call it suicide.

Also, as far as choice is concerned, that depends on how strongly he/she held their convictions. if they believe in something strong enough, it's no longer a choice because they will feel they HAVE to stick to their ideals.

13 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Thursday 8/9/07 - 11:09:35 AM EST (GMT-5)
No, if he's being given an ultimatum then I like to believe that standing up for his moral convictions exempts him from suicide.
13 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Thursday 8/9/07 - 9:37:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
"If someone holds a gun to your head and forces you to pull the trigger, is it suicide?"

I don't think so.

13 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Thursday 8/9/07 - 9:49:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, it's called matyrdom....
13 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Tuesday 10/30/07 - 10:26:28 AM EST (GMT-5)
I think the question should be "If a regime forces someone to choose between abandoning their beliefs or sticking to their principals but being sentenced to death" Is the state guilty of first degree murder! I guess it all depends on whether you agree with the individuals freedom of choice or the right of the state to impose their own laws.
13 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Tuesday 10/30/07 - 11:03:20 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'd call him a martyr for his cause.
13 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Tuesday 10/30/07 - 11:13:40 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 8/9/2007 9:49:04 PM mightyrhinox wrote:
No, it's called matyrdom....

Took the words right out of my mouth.

13 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Monday 4/7/08 - 11:44:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, it's not suicide.
13 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 4/22/08 - 9:19:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think you can only commit suicide if its by your own hand
11 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 1/4/10 - 10:21:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
No.
Just because a person chooses not to exercise self-defense does not mean that the crime becomes suicide. It is still murder.
11 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 1/5/10 - 10:56:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 8/9/2007 9:49:04 PM mightyrhinox wrote:
No, it's called matyrdom....
On Tuesday 10/30/07 - 11:13:40 AM topsyterny wrote:
Took the words right out of my mouth.

Me too.
11 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 1/5/10 - 6:29:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 8/9/2007 9:49:04 PM mightyrhinox wrote:
No, it's called matyrdom....
On Tuesday 10/30/07 - 11:13:40 AM topsyterny wrote:
Took the words right out of my mouth.
On Tuesday 1/5/10 - 10:56:12 AM Yankees15 wrote:
Me too.


Except its martyrdom.
11 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 1/5/10 - 10:00:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, they still killed him



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