Sandra Jolly said her 6-year-old son's Christmas was spoiled when his teacher told the first-grade class Monday that 'Santa Claus is make-believe.' 'He had this sad, lost puppy dog look on his face. This unhappy, empty look,' Jolly said. 'He said his teacher informed the entire class that Santa is make-believe.' D.J.'s teacher, Geneta Codner, was reading a story about the Tooth Fairy when the class started discussing what was real and what was not, said district spokesman Joe Donzelli. When the subject of Santa came up, the teacher started questioning parts of his story -- How could a fat jolly man fit down a chimney? How could reindeer fly around the world in one night? -- and told the children that wasn't possible. 'It's all been blown out of proportion,' Codner said. 'I'm sorry (parents) think I meant it that way. We were just having a discussion. I don't know where all this hurt came from.' The teacher said none of the children acted upset or sad during class. But Jolly and others disagree. Donzelli said the school's principal 'had a real stern conversation' with the teacher. But there will be no written reprimand because she did not violate any school district policy. 'We have no Santa clause,' Donzelli said. 'We would think that teachers would use better judgment.' http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/12/04/offbeat.teacher.santa.ap/index.html Question Who's Online | Find Members | Private Messages
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747 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 15 years ago by KikiPeepers

Should this teacher have been fired for telling her students there was no Santa?
Sandra Jolly said her 6-year-old son`s Christmas was spoiled when his teacher told the first-grade class Monday that `Santa Claus is make-believe.` `He had this sad, lost puppy dog look on his face. This unhappy, empty look,` Jolly said. `He said his teacher informed the entire class that Santa is make-believe.`

D.J.`s teacher, Geneta Codner, was reading a story about the Tooth Fairy when the class started discussing what was real and what was not, said district spokesman Joe Donzelli. When the subject of Santa came up, the teacher started questioning parts of his story -- How could a fat jolly man fit down a chimney? How could reindeer fly around the world in one night? -- and told the children that wasn`t possible. `It`s all been blown out of proportion,` Codner said. `I`m sorry (parents) think I meant it that way. We were just having a discussion. I don`t know where all this hurt came from.`

The teacher said none of the children acted upset or sad during class. But Jolly and others disagree. Donzelli said the school`s principal `had a real stern conversation` with the teacher. But there will be no written reprimand because she did not violate any school district policy. `We have no Santa clause,` Donzelli said. `We would think that teachers would use better judgment.`

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15 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 2/2/07 - 3:39:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
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What a jerky teacher. I'd fire her.
15 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 2/2/07 - 4:05:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
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Fire a teacher for teaching?

Can't say I would be tickled about it. But I don't think the teacher crossed the line.
15 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 2/2/07 - 4:14:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
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What she did was wrong for children that young.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Wednesday 2/21/07 - 5:48:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
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that is so mean
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Wednesday 2/21/07 - 5:56:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
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I don't know if she deserves to be fired, but I don't agree with what she did. It's akin to a teacher telling her students that there is no God. It's not a teacher's place to decide what those kids are taught to believe. Their parents should have that privilege. Still, losing her job over this might be a bit extreme.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Wednesday 2/21/07 - 6:16:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
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this is tricky. probably shouldn't be fired though.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Wednesday 2/21/07 - 6:45:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
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She obviously doesn't understand what Santa means to kids, so she cannot be a very good teacher.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Wednesday 2/21/07 - 7:26:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
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I'm not sure. I think she definitely crossed that line between information that teachers should give students and information that should be left up to the parents to share; it was inappropriate, but I'm not sure if she should be fired for it.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Wednesday 2/21/07 - 7:29:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
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On 2/21/2007 5:56:37 PM Kirke wrote:
It's akin to a teacher telling her students that there is no God.

That's a bit different, though, because a statement like that one would be *extremely* controversial; it would also be inappropriate because the teacher would be presenting her unprovable opinion about God's existence as fact.

The non-existence of Santa, though, is fact. I just don't think it was right for her to share that fact.
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 2/23/07 - 9:17:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
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On 2/21/2007 5:56:37 PM Kirke wrote:
It's akin to a teacher telling her students that there is no God.

not really cuz there is proof that santa dont exist but there is no proof either way that god does or doesnt
15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Thursday 3/8/07 - 1:37:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
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The idea of Santa isn't traditional anymore. It's all commercial. So why does it matter if she does or doesn't tell them? They'll find out eventually that he's fake from seeing 20 Santas at one Wal-Mart.
15 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 3/24/07 - 2:56:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
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Thing to me is, if the parents of these children had not filled their heads with that Santa bullsh*t in the first place, they would not have been upset to learn the truth about it being a lie.
15 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 3/24/07 - 3:00:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
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'there will be no written reprimand because she did not violate any school district policy. 'We have no Santa clause,' Donzelli said. 'We would think that teachers would use better judgment."

lol I like that bit

15 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/6/07 - 12:17:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
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Uproar about crap like this makes me sick.
There are far more important things for parents to be concerned about when it comes to their kid's education, like bullying, peer pressure, teachers practising obvious favoritism with select pupils (P.E teachers are GREAT at this), unnessesary, pressuring tests or the best way to inform them about sex and drugs, but whining parents keep these concerns to themselves or confined to their book groups and evening classes and do nothing. But what gets them seething? What makes them call for a parent teacher meeting and demand resignations? Bloody Santa Claus!
This happend over here too. The article goes on to say, (word for word), "and told the class of 30 pupils, some as young as 11,"
Eleven!! Some as YOUNG as eleven, which implies that eleven was the YOUNGEST age she taught, and most were OLDER! What kind of tit end still beleives in Santa beyond the age of seven?
The world's a harsh place to be these days, they need
15 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/6/07 - 12:19:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
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i never noticed that 11 bit, i thought they were all 5 or something
15 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/6/07 - 12:20:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
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On 3/8/2007 1:37:16 PM animefreak88 wrote:
The idea of Santa isn't traditional anymore. It's all commercial. So why does it matter if she does or doesn't tell them? They'll find out eventually that he's fake from seeing 20 Santas at one Wal-Mart.

Good point, like it.

15 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 4/6/07 - 12:27:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
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No, she shouldn't have been fired. I think that the kids would find out eventually so why fire her for telling them the truth?
15 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/7/07 - 7:52:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
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On 4/6/2007 12:20:06 PM bluejam wrote:
On 3/8/2007 1:37:16 PM animefreak88 wrote: The idea of Santa isn't traditional anymore. It's all commercial. So why does it matter if she does or doesn't tell them? They'll find out eventually that he's fake from seeing 20 Santas at one Wal-Mart. Good point, like it.

there were fake santas when I was little, my family just said that they were fake and the real one didn't work in shopping centres. That works.

15 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/7/07 - 12:17:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
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This is up to the parents, not the teacher to tell the kids.
I don't think she should be fired, but it really was a stupid thing for her to do.
15 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/7/07 - 12:24:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
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Wow, thats one mean teacher... But regardless, you can't fire a teacher for teaching something that happens to be true.
15 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/14/07 - 8:34:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
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For telling the truth? Of coure not.
15 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 4/14/07 - 8:38:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
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*Course
14 yrs ago, 11 mos ago - Tuesday 5/22/07 - 10:00:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
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Yea, I dunno about her losing her job over this, but I think it definitely warranted her being reprimanded.
14 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Wednesday 6/20/07 - 10:26:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
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She probably could have handled it better, but it's not like it's a national secret or anything.
14 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Sunday 6/24/07 - 2:59:06 AM EST (GMT-5)
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maybe not fireing her, but parents should go kick her ass! at least i would do that if she tells that to my kids, i mean, i know they would cry their lungs out, ~~~6 and 4 years old...

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