The Rev. Timothy Holder, 51, is about the last person people would associate with the rough-and-tumble world of hip-hop. The white, Harvard-educated Episcopalian priest is a mild-mannered, bespectacled fellow with a plump face, merry eyes and a genial Tennessean lilt that seems to melt like butter among the bodacious New York City accents that surround him. He's also openly gay. Holder is among the new leaders to emerge in the fast-growing, underground movement of holy hip-hop, a melding of religion, primarily Christianity, with the energy, lingo, dress and dance moves of the culture. The approach, created to attract young people and hip-hop fans, has produced a number of fledgling churches across the country, several traveling rap ministries, numerous Christian rap artists, a couple of awards shows and plenty of Wrath of God-like discussion. Many traditional religious leaders seem hesitant to embrace the approach, while others reject it outright, because of hip-hop's fixation on sex, drugs and violence. Nevertheless, the movement is gaining traction as people such as Holder, whose street name is Poppa T, and a slew of hip-hop artists bring a message of God to a generation searching to embrace spirituality on its own terms. http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/living/religion/15041419.htm Question Who's Online | Find Members | Private Messages
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Do you think hip-hop religion (led by a gay priest) is a good or bad way to spread Christianity?
The Rev. Timothy Holder, 51, is about the last person people would associate with the rough-and-tumble world of hip-hop. The white, Harvard-educated Episcopalian priest is a mild-mannered, bespectacled fellow with a plump face, merry eyes and a genial Tennessean lilt that seems to melt like butter among the bodacious New York City accents that surround him. He`s also openly gay.

Holder is among the new leaders to emerge in the fast-growing, underground movement of holy hip-hop, a melding of religion, primarily Christianity, with the energy, lingo, dress and dance moves of the culture. The approach, created to attract young people and hip-hop fans, has produced a number of fledgling churches across the country, several traveling rap ministries, numerous Christian rap artists, a couple of awards shows and plenty of Wrath of God-like discussion.

Many traditional religious leaders seem hesitant to embrace the approach, while others reject it outright, because of hip-hop`s fixation on sex, drugs and violence. Nevertheless, the movement is gaining traction as people such as Holder, whose street name is Poppa T, and a slew of hip-hop artists bring a message of God to a generation searching to embrace spirituality on its own terms.

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15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Sunday 7/16/06 - 5:38:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
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"..to a generation searching to embrace spirituality on its own terms. "

Every generation throughout history has wanted to "embrace" EVERYTHING on their own terms. I dont really see teens that arent religious in the first place trying to embrace spirituality. Not that it's a bad thing. Just think what the world would be like if in a few generations all major religions where abolished. Talk about heaven on earth.

As for your choices of answers, I dont think that ANY "religious leader" does a damn thing because it's "Good for God". They do it because it is good for THEM.
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Sunday 7/16/06 - 5:38:57 PM EST (GMT-5)
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It sounds interesting to me.

This man's followers are obviously going to be more liberal/open-minded than the average Christians; they're also probably more likely to attract unconventional people who would otherwise have no interest in their religion.

It's nothing I'd ever want to pursue, but I don't see a problem with it at all.
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Sunday 7/16/06 - 5:43:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
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I would love to see this guy come to Mississippi! There would be so many so-called Christians w/ signs up that say "GAY IS NOT THE WAY!" They wouldn't care if he helped out a million people to find God.
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Thursday 7/20/06 - 12:53:34 AM EST (GMT-5)
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Wow, haha. Better not take that south of Tennessee.

Still, its pretty cool.
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Thursday 7/20/06 - 1:06:49 AM EST (GMT-5)
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God speaks to us in a variety of ways--if this guy is helping people to hear God, I don't see any problems with it...
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Thursday 7/20/06 - 1:16:41 AM EST (GMT-5)
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I don't really think the spread of Christianity is a good thing.


On 7/16/2006 5:43:35 PM lil_rn_boy wrote:
I would love to see this guy come to Mississippi! There would be so many so-called Christians w/ signs up that say "GAY IS NOT THE WAY!" They wouldn't care if he helped out a million people to find God.


He would be lucky to leave here alive lol.
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Thursday 7/20/06 - 1:18:47 AM EST (GMT-5)
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This could reach a lot of people who wouldn't normally look or think about Christianity. We have at least one gay Christian church here.
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Thursday 7/20/06 - 8:26:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
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On 7/20/2006 1:16:42 AM lonewolf3882 wrote:
I don't really think the spread of Christianity is a good thing.

Why not? Don't condemn all of Christianity for the bad things you see in your little corner of the world...

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Thursday 7/20/06 - 8:30:01 AM EST (GMT-5)
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Sure why not its just as good as any wya of spreading that trash
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Tuesday 7/25/06 - 3:56:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
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whatever floats thier boat
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Saturday 8/5/06 - 1:49:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
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On 7/20/2006 8:26:29 AM CowDung wrote:
On 7/20/2006 1:16:42 AM lonewolf3882 wrote: I don't really think the spread of Christianity is a good thing. Why not? Don't condemn all of Christianity for the bad things you see in your little corner of the world...

His "little corner of the world" or not, it's still his corner. Buddy.

15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Sunday 8/6/06 - 2:54:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
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I have nothing against the style of music, just the content of it. Different stlyes of music fof different people, I suppose. I can't fault the minister for his approach, but the homosexual aspect would bother me a bit, so my answer to this question would be no, because of the minister and not really the music.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 8/7/06 - 12:01:09 AM EST (GMT-5)
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On 8/5/2006 1:49:18 PM jf2k2rj wrote:
On 7/20/2006 8:26:29 AM CowDung wrote: On 7/20/2006 1:16:42 AM lonewolf3882 wrote: I don't really think the spread of Christianity is a good thing. Why not? Don't condemn all of Christianity for the bad things you see in your little corner of the world... His "little corner of the world" or not, it's still his corner. Buddy.

All I'm saying is that he shouldn't judge something as complex and diverse as the entire Christian religion based on what the local Christians he personally experiences are doing.

15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 8/7/06 - 12:20:22 AM EST (GMT-5)
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however god's message can get out is a good thing.


no matter what.

15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Sunday 8/13/06 - 3:36:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
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I find that strange. The leader is openly gay, within two communities that do not embrace homosexuality.

I don't have a problem with it.

15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 8/15/06 - 2:15:40 AM EST (GMT-5)
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On 8/6/2006 2:54:09 PM oldfashioned wrote:
I have nothing against the style of music, just the content of it. Different stlyes of music fof different people, I suppose. I can't fault the minister for his approach, but the homosexual aspect would bother me a bit, so my answer to this question would be no, because of the minister and not really the music.

What does it matter if he's gay? Obviously your god made him that way as it has been proven it is a natural "abnormality" in the way the brain responds to pheromones. Its pretty ignorant of you to be against something because the leaders sexuality. Doesn't christianity preach compassion for your fellow man regardless of personal dislikes? You my friend are not a true christian or catholic if you beleive this and I'm ashamed to be in the same religion as you.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 8/15/06 - 2:29:49 AM EST (GMT-5)
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It just sounds silly.
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 8/15/06 - 9:23:44 AM EST (GMT-5)
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Holy hip-hop, Batman!
15 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Sunday 8/27/06 - 4:34:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
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Christians want to spread the word of god, why would it matter the way that it's done? but oh well, i'm not christian so i don't really care
15 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 9/1/06 - 8:11:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
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Aren't those two like complete opposites? Even I, an atheist, would rather go to church than listen to hip-hop/rap.
15 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Wednesday 10/11/06 - 11:30:17 AM EST (GMT-5)
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I don't care. If it pisses off the majority of self-righteous Xian zealouts, then I'm all for it.
15 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Saturday 11/4/06 - 1:02:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
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I just can't wait until the jesus crowd gives up. And if a rift between jesus freaks causes the spread to be impeded then so be it. I love when relious people argue about religion. It's so productive
15 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Saturday 11/4/06 - 1:29:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
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I don't know enough about Hip Hop to comment about that aspect of the question. I suppose that if the content of the music were in line with Christian values, there would be no problem with it.

I see no problems with having an openly gay minister.
15 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Saturday 11/4/06 - 1:35:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
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While I admit it does come off as a bit fad-ish, it's definitely better than being told that I'm going to Hell.
15 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 12/28/06 - 2:55:56 AM EST (GMT-5)
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its just a different way of worshiping god.

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