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913 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 15 years ago by KikiPeepers

Which is the more advanced country overall: Japan or the United States?
Considering every aspect, like technology, education, national pride and anything else.


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15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:24:59 AM EST (GMT-5)
How is national pride an advancement?
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:29:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
Technologically, ethically, educationally, Japan is far ahead of the United States. But economic and military power still belongs to the United States.


Overall though I would say Japan is far more advanced then the United States, I don't think money or military makes you more advanced in ways that count, we still lag behind in the most important areas(ethics, education, culture).

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:33:46 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'm not sure that Japan is ahead of the US in technology or education.

The US is definitely ahead in personal freedoms...

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:38:44 AM EST (GMT-5)
I would probably argue that Japan is less ethical as well--Japanese women have a very low status compared to the women in the US...
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:39:23 AM EST (GMT-5)
Japan definately has a technological edge, especially when it comes to computers, almost all our technology comes from Japan, as well as their advancements in robotics.


Also, according to TMISS, Japanese 4th and 8th graders continually outperform Americans in international tests, not to mention their educational system is far more rigirous, not to mention that the majority of Japanese students end up going to some sort of higher education school.

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:40:39 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 7/21/2006 1:38:44 AM CowDung wrote:
I would probably argue that Japan is less ethical as well--Japanese women have a very low status compared to the women in the US...


That's more of Japanese culture, and I would argue that the United States culture also has a lot of sexism in it, especially because of our Christian roots. I think Japan has an ethical edge because it's a secular nation that doesn't force religious beliefs into political policy.


Also, the state of Civil and Human rights in Japan is actually quite excellent.

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:44:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
The one area that they are way ahead of the US is aid for the handicapped. All the train platforms have bumpy strips at the edge to help blind people find the edge. Every light controlled crosswalk has 'sounders' to help deaf people know when it is safe to cross...
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:46:30 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 7/21/2006 1:44:38 AM CowDung wrote:
The one area that they are way ahead of the US is aid for the handicapped. All the train platforms have bumpy strips at the edge to help blind people find the edge. Every light controlled crosswalk has 'sounders' to help deaf people know when it is safe to cross...


That's mighty nifty.

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:47:59 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 7/21/2006 1:40:39 AM Aburame wrote:
On That's more of Japanese culture, and I would argue that the United States culture also has a lot of sexism in it, especially because of our Christian roots. I think Japan has an ethical edge because it's a secular nation that doesn't force religious beliefs into political policy. Also, the state of Civil and Human rights in Japan is actually quite excellent.

So Japanese culture doesn't count? Sexism is way more widespread in Japan than in the US. There is little to no stigma in being a single woman over 25 in the US. In Japan, it is very shameful. It is much more difficult for women to hold 'real' jobs and certain lines of work are all but forbidden for people of certain national origins...

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:50:00 AM EST (GMT-5)
Japan is far from a secular nation--Shinto and Buddhist influences are everywhere. Not to mention, the streets are decked out with more Christmas decorations (complete with public broadcast Christmas carols) than anywhere in the US...
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:50:50 AM EST (GMT-5)
I would agree that Japanese culture is definatley mora traditionalist with it's attitudes towards women, but as a country Japan does not lag behind the First World when it comes to civil liberties, it is considered a "free" nation.


Sexism comes in many forms, but I will agree that Japanese culture as a whole has some advancement to make when it comes to modernerity, although it is hard for conservative cultures to just ditch old ideals.

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:52:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
Buddhism isn't a religion, it's a philosophical tradition, as is mostly Shinto. Also, Atheism is far more widespread, not to mention that Japans political machine is held hostage by it's churchs.

Here in the United States it's inconcievable for a politician to come out as an Atheist in most states, and we've never had a less than devout President.

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:53:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
Civil liberties to me means that all people have equal opportunities--this is definitely not the case in Japan...
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:54:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 7/21/2006 1:52:54 AM Aburame wrote:
Buddhism isn't a religion, it's a philosophical tradition, as is mostly Shinto. Also, Atheism is far more widespread, not to mention that Japans political machine is held hostage by it's churchs. Here in the United States it's inconcievable for a politician to come out as an Atheist in most states, and we've never had a less than devout President.

For not being religions, they sure spend a lot of time praying at the temples and shrines...

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:57:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
...not to mention that the Emperor was considered a deity until 1945.
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:58:05 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 7/21/2006 1:53:55 AM CowDung wrote:
Civil liberties to me means that all people have equal opportunities--this is definitely not the case in Japan...

Nor in the United States.
It's interesting that most Japanese people say they are both Shinto and Buddhist, how many people can claim any compatability with Christianity and another religion? They can't. Shinto and Buddhism are mainly philosophies rather than strict religions, and those temples do warehouse many superstitious beliefs, but most of their praying I believe is to ancestors.

I do know Japan has some weird beliefs about demons and spirits, but once again, this doesnt dominate their mindset like Christianity does in the United States.

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:59:36 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 7/21/2006 1:57:51 AM CowDung wrote:
...not to mention that the Emperor was considered a deity until 1945.

I thought we were talking about Japan today? In 1945 black people coudln't even vote in the United States, our histories are fraught with embarassing stupidities.

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 2:06:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
Actually, it kinda does. Most everyone has a shrine in their home and they are commonly found on the streets. I believe that they pray to the Buddha in the temples. At the shrines they honor their ancesters. Kyoto holds several parades/festivals with religious roots every year...


15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 2:07:19 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 7/21/2006 1:59:36 AM Aburame wrote:
On 7/21/2006 1:57:51 AM CowDung wrote: ...not to mention that the Emperor was considered a deity until 1945. I thought we were talking about Japan today? In 1945 black people coudln't even vote in the United States, our histories are fraught with embarassing stupidities.

Black people couldn't vote in 1945? Are you sure you don't want to add a history couse to your schedule?

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 2:08:50 AM EST (GMT-5)
The problem is seperating the religion from everyday life, here it's impossible to listen to a politician speak without invoking the name of God, our educational system is being systematically challenged by religious organizations, not to mention how politically powerful and motivation religious groups when it comes to issues like stem cells and abortion.


In Japan is seems they can keep their religion to themselves, so to speak, their festivals are indicative of cultural richness, not religious mania.

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 2:12:02 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 7/21/2006 2:07:20 AM CowDung wrote:
On 7/21/2006 1:59:36 AM Aburame wrote: On 7/21/2006 1:57:51 AM CowDung wrote: ...not to mention that the Emperor was considered a deity until 1945. I thought we were talking about Japan today? In 1945 black people coudln't even vote in the United States, our histories are fraught with embarassing stupidities. Black people couldn't vote in 1945? Are you sure you don't want to add a history couse to your schedule?


Ahh, i'm sorry, I was thinking of the Voting Rights Act. But my point was simply that we are taking about Japan today, not in 1945, in 1945 their were plenty of rights that we had not yet given to our own citizens. And I am taking a much needed history class.

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 9:04:07 AM EST (GMT-5)
Too close to call overall. I think I agree with Aburames points....and while Cowdungs arguments about sexism and religion are true....well their society is more efficient I think.
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 9:10:36 AM EST (GMT-5)
Japan!!! I'd love to go there... that doesn't make it more advanced though.
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:55:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 7/21/2006 1:44:38 AM CowDung wrote:
The one area that they are way ahead of the US is aid for the handicapped. All the train platforms have bumpy strips at the edge to help blind people find the edge. Every light controlled crosswalk has 'sounders' to help deaf people know when it is safe to cross...

Unfortunately that's only what you get to see. Support for parents with handicapped children is abysmal, and few buildings (including most schools) have facilities for handicapped people. A friend of mine did a homestay with a family who had a serverely handicapped son, and they received virtually no help from anyone, least of all the government.

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Friday 7/21/06 - 1:57:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 7/21/2006 1:50:01 AM CowDung wrote:
Japan is far from a secular nation--Shinto and Buddhist influences are everywhere. Not to mention, the streets are decked out with more Christmas decorations (complete with public broadcast Christmas carols) than anywhere in the US...

Christmas is not a religious holiday in Japan. It's purely commercial. It's only something celebrated by couples, not families.


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