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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 11/28/05 - 7:34:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, fire him! It wasn't even a politics class he was teaching, it was English. He has no reason to bring Bush up. If it was some sort of government or politics class, then MAYBE I could understand him doing this to stimulate a debate. But even then, the questions he asked where not questions attacking Bush's political views, they were attacking him personally, and I think that is inappropriate for an educator in the classroom setting.
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 11/28/05 - 7:58:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, freedom of speech & press.
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 11/28/05 - 8:07:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
I agree with txfireman. Freedom of speech and press don't apply when people are supposed to be teaching our children. Teachers need to learn to be professional and keep their opinions to themselves. If they can't do that and do their job correctly then they need to find a new career.
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 11/28/05 - 8:19:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, just as religion shouldn't be advocated in schools, politics shouldn't be either. Free Speech has nothing to do with this issue. Teachers are there to teach not push their opinion on the students.
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 12/1/05 - 5:37:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
LOL. I find that funny 
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 12/1/05 - 5:38:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 11/28/2005 7:58:39 PM liARSENIC wrote: No, freedom of speech & press. | So you'd have no problem with her teaching those kids to spell and define f*ck, assh*le, c*nt, etc., either, I suppose.
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 12/1/05 - 5:40:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'd like to see the quiz for a laugh, and I am very anti-Bush, but that sort of thing has a proper place, of which a high school classroom is not.
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 12/1/05 - 5:44:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
Probably, I don't think that one short article probably tells the whole story, but it sures seems like he stepped beyond what is acceptable. At a high school (or below) level teachers should not be advocating for or against politicians/parties/issues/etc. I'm okay with a teacher expressing their views if the students ask, but not going on about them at length or condemning the other side, but something like this seems completely inappropriate to me. (Though, I did find the question to be quite amusing, it was inappropriate.) I don't think he should be fired though, unless he does something like this again, then perhaps firing him should be considered.
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 12/8/05 - 11:45:03 AM EST (GMT-5)
In America you have corporate companies writing text books. They all contain political slant. Whats wrong with a teacher teaching? The right must have something to be scared of, because surely, if they are correct in their beliefs, the children would choose their way when provided with both sides of the argument. Do you honestly think the kids thought bush was a genius until this teacher pointed out some obvious home truths?
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 12/8/05 - 12:03:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
My opinion's of bush aside, once taxes become municipal funds they take on a new set of rules. They must be spent as close to 100% objectively as possible. This teacher is an example of misuse of municipal funds. Unless it was a class about politics and the jabs were to spark debate, it has no place.
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 12/17/05 - 11:03:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 12/8/2005 11:45:04 AM bankvole wrote: In America you have corporate companies writing text books. | What? I don't know who told you this, but they are full of crap. In America, textbooks are written by scholars on the subject and universtiy professor.
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 12/17/05 - 11:13:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, there is no need for political bias in such a quiz
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 12/17/05 - 11:18:45 AM EST (GMT-5)
No, more power to him.
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 12/17/05 - 11:24:15 AM EST (GMT-5)
Well, seeing as they were from a high school anyway, they must have some doubt about society and those who control it anyway. Plus, every teacher imports some of their own views while they are teaching, in my experience. On 12/1/2005 5:38:45 PM HaroldtheBat wrote: On 11/28/2005 7:58:39 PM liARSENIC wrote: No, freedom of speech & press. So you'd have no problem with her teaching those kids to spell and define f*ck, assh*le, c*nt, etc., either, I suppose. |
I have known of, and been present in, classes were such words and their origins have been discussed. It's really just about how we use language, and how language and the way we speak progresses.
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 12/17/05 - 11:26:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 12/17/05 - 11:39:11 AM EST (GMT-5)
As much as I hate bush, I still think that teachers, being in a position of authority, should reffrain from expressing partisan political opinions to thier students.
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16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Wednesday 12/21/05 - 4:37:47 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 12/17/2005 11:39:12 AM pielle wrote: As much as I hate bush, I still think that teachers, being in a position of authority, should reffrain from expressing partisan political opinions to thier students. | Right on pielle Their job is to cram those little heads with facts & figures not impart their politics- they're kids for puppies sake.
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16 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Tuesday 1/3/06 - 5:41:21 AM EST (GMT-5)
the teacher deserve the same treatment as if he did this 10 years ago against Clinton, nothing more.
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16 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Tuesday 1/3/06 - 5:42:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
Yes...classrooms should be neutral on politics.
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16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 2/22/06 - 10:36:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 11/28/2005 8:07:47 PM upb wrote: I agree with txfireman. Freedom of speech and press don't apply when people are supposed to be teaching our children. Teachers need to learn to be professional and keep their opinions to themselves. If they can't do that and do their job correctly then they need to find a new career. | Thank you!
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16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 2/22/06 - 10:41:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
This sounds as stupid as the time my 3rd grade teacher discplined a Muslim boy from Turkey in my class for not doing the pledge of allegiance.
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16 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 3/3/06 - 2:30:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
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16 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 3/3/06 - 2:59:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
umm... I can't see the article. Blasted AP!
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16 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 3/3/06 - 3:40:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 3/3/2006 3:35:59 PM ARGH-ebul wrote: On 11/28/2005 7:58:39 PM liARSENIC wrote: No, freedom of speech & press. | Freedom of speech does not allow a teacher to indoctrinate his/her students (captive audience) with personal opinion. Do you think the teacher is able to preach about his/her religion as well in the classroom?
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16 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Saturday 3/4/06 - 4:36:40 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 3/3/2006 3:40:33 PM CowDung wrote: On 3/3/2006 3:35:59 PM ARGH-ebul wrote: On 11/28/2005 7:58:39 PM liARSENIC wrote: No, freedom of speech & press. Freedom of speech does not allow a teacher to indoctrinate his/her students (captive audience) with personal opinion. Do you think the teacher is able to preach about his/her religion as well in the classroom? | Oh, no, CD, you are confused! Freedom of speech and press only applies to people who are preaching views they agree with! 
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