These private interest groups have been contracted by the American government to provide security in Iraq. After Hurricane Katrina, some of the groups have been sent to New Orleans for 'security'. They are not affiliated with the military, or any police force, but have the authorization to use deadly force when they see fit. They have assault rifles and are shooting at American citizens. Does it scare you that Bush would unleash these people on us?

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Do these mercenaries on American soil scare you?
These private interest groups have been contracted by the American government to provide security in Iraq. After Hurricane Katrina, some of the groups have been sent to New Orleans for `security`. They are not affiliated with the military, or any police force, but have the authorization to use deadly force when they see fit. They have assault rifles and are shooting at American citizens. Does it scare you that Bush would unleash these people on us?

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16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Tuesday 10/4/05 - 3:13:57 PM EST (GMT-5)
what is scary about it? most of the people that work for these groups are former police and military and are law abiding citizens. in your story segment you state "They are not affiliated with the military, or any police force, but have the authorization to use deadly force when they see fit." but in the article it clearly states "pointing to one of his comrades, he said, "He was even deputized by the governor of the state of Louisiana. We can make arrests and use lethal force if we deem it necessary." so i would have to say that they are affiliated to some type of police force if they have been deputized by the governor of the state they are working in. And honestly if the New Orleans police are not willing or able to do there jobs why not hire people who are.
16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/24/05 - 10:26:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
Think about the reason why they aren't using the normal millitary or police.

It's because they don't want to have to follow normal rules and safe guards such as safety protocols and rules of engagement. But they still have the advantages such as "shoot to kill policy" They are free to act outside the law.

Bush is a fanatic.

Why else would they exist outside the millitary and police force.

And Jumper, I don't believe making someone an honorary deputy is going to rein anybody in.

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/24/05 - 10:37:24 AM EST (GMT-5)
"Bush is a fanatic."

Since when was Bush the governor of Louisiana? It isn't the President who deputized that guy.

"And Jumper, I don't believe making someone an honorary deputy is going to rein anybody in."

It does, however, make them part of the police, rather than unaccountable independent outsiders as some people's vendetta makes them think.

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/24/05 - 10:42:23 AM EST (GMT-5)
"Does it scare you that Bush would unleash these people on us?"

The more pertinent question would have been, 'does it surprise you?'

Bet they shot a hell of a lot more black people than they did white people...

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/24/05 - 10:54:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
Close. The real question, given details like "the gold Louisiana law enforcement badge he wore around his neck", is should we be surprised people with an agenda are trying to hammer this story to fit their usual mold, without respect for truth or accuracy?

Those of us who followed the story know many of the local law enforcement personnel simply disappeared, leaving a vacuum the military is ill-equipped to fill. To a rational person, bringing in replacement law enforcement personnel is the sensible thing to do; to call them "mercenaries", dishonest.

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/24/05 - 10:56:33 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 10/24/2005 10:37:24 AM jas88 wrote:
"Bush is a fanatic." Since when was Bush the governor of Louisiana? It isn't the President who deputized that guy. "And Jumper, I don't believe making someone an honorary deputy is going to rein anybody in." It does, however, make them part of the police, rather than unaccountable independent outsiders as some people's vendetta makes them think.

What are you on about? The story is about private interest groups have been contracted by the American government.

ONE of the guys being deputised is just a side issue. The story isn't about a bunch of guys being deputised.

And where the hell did I insinuate Bush had anything to do with deputising him?

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/24/05 - 10:58:14 AM EST (GMT-5)
"ONE of the guys being deputised is just a side issue. The story isn't about a bunch of guys being deputised."

Actually, it is, they're just trying to spin it differently - and it's not just "one of the guys".

"And where the hell did I insinuate Bush had anything to do with deputising him?"

You said "Bush is a fanatic", I was wondering where you found any connection between that claim and the article.

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/24/05 - 10:58:41 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 10/24/2005 10:54:26 AM jas88 wrote:
Close. The real question, given details like "the gold Louisiana law enforcement badge he wore around his neck", is should we be surprised people with an agenda are trying to hammer this story to fit their usual mold, without respect for truth or accuracy? Those of us who followed the story know many of the local law enforcement personnel simply disappeared, leaving a vacuum the military is ill-equipped to fill. To a rational person, bringing in replacement law enforcement personnel is the sensible thing to do; to call them "mercenaries", dishonest.

From the story, it seems one of the guys was deputised. Doesn't seem to mean they're a bunch of law enforcement personel.

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/24/05 - 11:01:08 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 10/24/2005 10:58:14 AM jas88 wrote:
"ONE of the guys being deputised is just a side issue. The story isn't about a bunch of guys being deputised." Actually, it is, they're just trying to spin it differently - and it's not just "one of the guys".

Close. The real question, given details like "the gold Louisiana law enforcement badge he wore around his neck", is should we be surprised people with an agenda are trying to hammer this story to fit their usual mold, without respect for truth or accuracy?

IF they're all deputised then obviously the story is biased.

Has nothing to do with me and my bias buddy.

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/24/05 - 11:03:41 AM EST (GMT-5)
"Then, pointing to one of his comrades, he said, "He was even deputized by the governor of the state of Louisiana."

Certainly seemed to insinuate it was just one guy deputised.

And it still seems strange considering they were just in Iraq.

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/24/05 - 11:05:24 AM EST (GMT-5)
"From the story, it seems one of the guys was deputised. Doesn't seem to mean they're a bunch of law enforcement personel."

Two members of the group are specifically referred to as having some law enforcement credentials issued, without any indication the rest of the group lacks them.

"IF they're all deputised then obviously the story is biased."

It's deliberately unclear on that point, and I agree it's biased to create a misleading impression.

"Has nothing to do with me and my bias buddy."

Correct. *That* problem is evident from your leap from "some guys have been deputised in N.O." to "Bush is a fanatic" and your unfounded assumption "They are free to act outside the law."

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/24/05 - 11:23:08 AM EST (GMT-5)
The fact that they were deputised has nothing to do with me calling Bush a fanatic.

It's more to do with the fact that in the question story it states "They are not affiliated with the military, or any police force but have the authorization to use deadly force when they see fit".

To tell you the truth, I don't usually do in depth investigations into youthink questions. So maybe I took it at face value.

Combined with Bush's track record. It wouldn't have surprised me if the above statements had been true.

16 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Monday 10/24/05 - 11:35:30 AM EST (GMT-5)
"It's more to do with the fact that in the question story it states "They are not affiliated with the military, or any police force but have the authorization to use deadly force when they see fit". To tell you the truth, I don't usually do in depth investigations into youthink questions. So maybe I took it at face value."

Fair enough - not unusual, which is why dishonest "spin" pieces are such a problem.

"Combined with Bush's track record. It wouldn't have surprised me if the above statements had been true."

That's the problem: publish a string of such pieces, you start creating the *impression* of a "track record" which justifies that assumption - without necessarily having any basis in reality. This was one blatant case: how many more have there been?

16 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Monday 10/24/05 - 11:37:58 AM EST (GMT-5)
Billy the Kid was a deputy at one time wasn't he or was that just in Hollywood?
16 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Tuesday 10/25/05 - 6:12:06 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 10/24/2005 11:35:31 AM jas88 wrote:
"Combined with Bush's track record. It wouldn't have surprised me if the above statements had been true." That's the problem: publish a string of such pieces, you start creating the *impression* of a "track record" which justifies that assumption - without necessarily having any basis in reality. This was one blatant case: how many more have there been?

Yes, I see what you mean.

But believe me, I've looked into a number of things about Bush and his policies in a lot more detail than I have done with this YouThink question.

But I'm not going to go into all that here.

16 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Tuesday 10/25/05 - 6:22:48 AM EST (GMT-5)
nobody answers a simple yes or no anymore


No I am not scared because I don't live there

and Yes I don't give two Fu*ks

16 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Tuesday 10/25/05 - 6:49:14 AM EST (GMT-5)
No, I don't see what's so scare about it.
16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Wednesday 11/30/05 - 7:42:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, I support the libertarian ideal of privatization.

Kiki, you make it sound like these mercenaries are hired thugs. Most of these guys are ex-military, and cops. Besides, it isn't like the troops and cops that to get checks from the US Government are prefect angels, either. I've read a whole like more about the corruption of state and federal employees then the independant contractor.

16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Wednesday 11/30/05 - 7:57:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, actually they don't.
16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 12/3/05 - 3:42:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
no, i think Bush knows what hes doing....and i agree with Txfireman



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