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Do you think there is still too much segregation in America?


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16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Tuesday 9/27/05 - 12:01:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think so, but what I see is the minorities segregating themselves.
16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Tuesday 9/27/05 - 12:03:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes. I think minorities segregate themselves, but I think it's because there has been little effort to let them know they are welcome elsewhere. Segregation is no longer the law, but it's still the practice in a lot of places.
16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/3/05 - 11:07:40 AM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, I agree with UL.

I live in Tulsa and there has been quite an effort to diversify the city. I went to high school on the north side (the ""black" side) at a predominantly black school, and as a white boy busing in from the south side, I could see the changes in demographics just in the few miles it took to go to school. The area was the classic visual of "the ghetto". And it's not hard to see why, looking at Tulsa's history (the bloody race riots in the 1920s are just one example).

For me, high school was about 10 years ago. But now when I visit the north side and the downtown area, I see that the city has done a major job in turning the area around. They've brought in some beautification projects, added parks and biking trails, a Greenwood historical center, and restored much of the iconic deco architecture that made Tulsa famous in the 50s. It's still predominantly black, but it's a very proud part of town and I'd actually like to live near the

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/3/05 - 11:08:01 AM EST (GMT-5)
area. My fiance and I are looking at houses out there.
16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/3/05 - 12:12:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
well i've never been there but i hear the schools are very segregated.
16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/3/05 - 12:27:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
Seems now it's more by choice rather than by force, but it still exists.
16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/3/05 - 10:36:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 10/3/2005 12:12:47 PM mintyboy3000 wrote:
well i've never been there but i hear the schools are very segregated.

Quite the opposite, actually. Most of the Tulsa Public School system is on the magnet program. Basically you have the option to attend your neighborhood school, but are encouraged take advantage of the diversification steps. That's why I took a bus to a schools 15 miles away from my home instead of going to my neighborhood school. I was basically a white boy contributing to the desegregation of a black school (although the school was officially integrated in the 70s). Many students do this.

Tulsa has quite a substantial black population, I imagine due to the Greenwood district. Most of the public high schools are about 50/50 when it comes to white/black students. That's not to say the city isn't segregated--the black families tend to populate the north and the whites in the south--but that's constantly changing.

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/3/05 - 10:41:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
Poor choice of words. By saying Tulsa has a "substantial" black population, I was implying that the population in proportion is higher when compared to another American city of the same size. Certainly not that the black population, as an ethnic group, is "substantial". Irk!

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Monday 10/3/05 - 11:33:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes. It may not be De Jure (legally sanctioned) but America's cities are very segregated. It is not always necesarily by choice. People are priced out of "Good" neighborhoods and forced into the ghetto by housing markets.
16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Saturday 10/22/05 - 4:11:33 AM EST (GMT-5)
^ That's true, and I've painfully witnessed "blockbusting." One town over from where I live was a lovely place to live... but all of a sudden when a couple of minority families moved in, people panicked about the value of their houses declining and immediately sold. Now this town is a broken down ghetto filled with crime... even linked to the anthrax issue afew years back. This is one effect of people segregating themselves.

There have been vast improvements with integration over the years... but there is still alot of segregation caused by bias from both sides. I don't think anything can be done to cure people's personal prejudices.

16 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Saturday 10/22/05 - 4:47:07 AM EST (GMT-5)
yeah


they should really put the cereal closer to the milk in the supermarket

but I heard that coco pops don't like the white man

16 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Friday 10/28/05 - 6:27:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, there is still a level of undesirable segregation, but it's often because people segregate themselves and decide to blame others. The others can't truly be blamed for not persuading the "victims" to mix, when the victims imply that they do not wish to be included... It's simply another one of those vicious cycles, but I think it will fix itself eventually if individuals choose to.
16 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Sunday 10/30/05 - 2:40:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
Great question, great comments. Personally, I love the mix of different cultures and would much rather be a part of a 'meltingpot' neighbourhood than just all-white. Much more interesting - more likely to have different restaurants, local 'specialist' supermarkets, impact on the music and drama scene, kids learning about other people's cultures in schools, etc.

I do think there is still an issue over 'segregated' communities, whether out of necessity (out-priced), a sense of fear (stick with the people that you know) or a sense of nowhere else to go (I wouldn't be welcome anywhere else). Or simply that people really enjoy being part of a 'familiar' community.

I think there will always be communities where certain people live near each other (also, gay/lesbain people - have been known to buy a whole street, and then rent out to friends.) and there is nothing wrong with that, however, I personally would like to see more integration.

16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 11/29/05 - 12:08:56 AM EST (GMT-5)
Segregation is still a HUGE problem.

For example, here in Southern California, the Mexican population has their own independant sub-culture, standards of beauty, etc. I do have several Mexican friends, but culture blocks often make inter-racial relationships difficult.

16 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 12/22/05 - 7:42:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
yes it is but sadly very few people realize it
16 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Friday 1/6/06 - 8:14:39 AM EST (GMT-5)
Alot of different nationalities like to stay apart from others but there are alot of people still being discriminated against and at my school there are alot of ethnicity jokes, luckily the people at my school only joke around, but other places it's not just joking.
16 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 3/31/06 - 10:07:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
When I was in high school, a friend of mine who happened to be Mexican, was telling me that when she first enrolled in the school they told her that she should go to a different school, the one that supposedly all the Mexican kids attended. I was horrified that this would happen in real life, because at the time I was idealistic enough to believe that those things didn't happen any more. It was after that conversation that I noticed the lack of minorities in our school: in a school of about a thousand, there were probably only twenty minorities. I don't think it was necessarily the choice of the minorities, since my friend was encouraged by the guidance counsiler to attend a different school. I don't know about the rest of the country though, as this was my only experience with modern day segregation.
15 yrs ago, 11 mos ago - Saturday 6/10/06 - 4:49:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
On the homecoming court at my school, if there were all black people than nobody would say anything but if there were all white people, there would be an outrage.

15 yrs ago, 11 mos ago - Saturday 6/10/06 - 6:46:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
yes to an extent.
15 yrs ago, 11 mos ago - Saturday 6/10/06 - 7:41:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, I believe so.
15 yrs ago, 11 mos ago - Saturday 6/10/06 - 7:42:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yea, there definetely is, but this time, everybody is to blame.
15 yrs ago, 11 mos ago - Saturday 6/10/06 - 7:43:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 9/27/2005 12:01:45 PM charisma wrote:
I think so, but what I see is the minorities segregating themselves.

It's not just minorities. Everybody does it.

15 yrs ago, 11 mos ago - Monday 6/12/06 - 6:00:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 9/27/2005 12:01:45 PM charisma wrote:
I think so, but what I see is the minorities segregating themselves.

On 6/10/2006 7:42:39 PM matthewsim88 wrote:
Yea, there definetely is, but this time, everybody is to blame.

I don't think people are equally to blame, nor that minorities are more to blame. I don't think there's ever been a full commitment to seeing through in practice the integration most of us stand for in theory. When a group of people have had no reason to trust people who were oppressing them for centuries, it's going to take a little more effort to undo the psychological damage of said oppression.
15 yrs ago, 11 mos ago - Monday 6/12/06 - 8:24:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
We haven't been oppressing anyone, that was people who are dead right now with similar skin color. There's no need for a minority to feel uncomfortable around a white person, unless that white person has indicated otherwise.
15 yrs ago, 11 mos ago - Monday 6/12/06 - 8:48:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
Society does not stop and start over just because the people of one generation die off. The damage of legal racism still lingers, so I don't think it's fair to blame someone still affected by that shameful legacy for being a bit gun-shy.

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