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1,716 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 17 years ago by twisebaker

Do you think the shooting at the Minnesota Indian reservation would have happened if after Columbine, parents made their kids treat other kids better?

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17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 4/7/05 - 1:56:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
Don't know! Did the parents/grandparents of the kids who killed the students encourage bullying?
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 4/7/05 - 2:07:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
yes I think that would be a good start. Then you have parents who are also jerks and make fun of others or treat others like sh** on a daily basis too. For example, when is the last time you called a customer service line and got just that-- customer service?? People treat others like sh** all the time and kids see that and assume that it is acceptable. When adults start being a little more compassionate for thier fellow man then kids and teens will see that behavior and there will begin to be a change.
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 4/7/05 - 4:35:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
I always figured that teaching right & wrong started at home. If parents are out there treating other people like crap & their kids see it, it's not acceptable.

If parents/grandparents don't encourage the bullying they sure turn a blind eye to it when their kid bullies someone.

17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 4/7/05 - 4:36:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
I feel that line of thinking is absolute f*cking nonsense.
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 4/7/05 - 4:39:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't think we can blame everything on the parents ... kids do come to an age at which they can make their own decisions, despite how strict or lenient their parents were.
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Friday 4/8/05 - 10:27:11 AM EST (GMT-5)
Brett - Why is it nonsense?

Daydreaming - I agree that at some point kids make their own decisions, but there is a point at which that happens. Before then, parents are responsible for their kid's actions, at least a little bit.

17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Friday 4/8/05 - 2:54:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
No amount of parenting will stop a kid who is determined to copycat those two little asswipes from Colorado.
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Friday 4/8/05 - 3:58:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
They may have been asswipes, but if people hadn't treated them like s*it their whole lives, we wouldn't be having this discussion now.

There was more than enough ample opportunity for me to blow away a few of MY classmates, but my parents taught me to value human life, even if I can't stand the person I'm standing next to.

17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Friday 4/8/05 - 4:06:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
How do you "make your kids treat other kids better"...?
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 4/9/05 - 9:52:35 AM EST (GMT-5)
twisebaker is one of those people who doesn't believe in personal responsibibity.

What a dipsh*t.

17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 4/9/05 - 10:25:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
brett_weir, of course responsibility ultimately lies with the individual, but individuals don't develop in a vacuum. Good parenting is a pretty good deterrent to these types of things. There are no guarantees, but there's a high rate of correlation, I'm sure.
When something like this happens, I don't think it's acceptable to say, "Oh, well, he's responsible and that's the end of that discussion." I think it's important that we think about what could have been done to prevent it, and that means what could *WE* have done to prevent it. It doesn't mean that we're to blame or should feel guilty, per se, but it's pretty stupid, I hope you'll admit, not to think about future prevention.

As for the question, I think the assumption that parents have not become more aware of bullying, et al, and made conscious efforts to curtail it, is wrong. So, too, is the assertion that parents can possibly be expected to stop all of it wrong.

17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 4/11/05 - 11:55:50 AM EST (GMT-5)
UncleLaughie - It is possible the parents did try to do something to curtail what happened & we just didn't hear it in the news as the news is all about the drama & not about what happened leading up to the events.

Brett - So you're telling me that these kids were responsible for their own bullying? That they went up to the bullies & said "Hey, pick on me!"?

17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 4/11/05 - 12:01:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
No. We've had bullies for many years. Kids have had access to guns for many years. But only recently have school shootings happened. My guess is, its the parenting of children now that is f'd up.
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 4/11/05 - 12:09:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
Just because a kid is picked on relentlessly doesn't automatically mean they're going to go out and shoot someone; and I highly doubt a parent saying 'Don't shoot people,' or, 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you' would deter them any. Yes, parents have the responsibility of teaching them from right and wrong, but at that age they should know by then what is right and wrong, and if you don't realize that **killing** people is wrong...I don't think I'd blame mom and dad on that one...I'd blame that on the kid.
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 4/11/05 - 12:19:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
The parents didn't teach them growing up. Right from wrong is taught from the beginning, once you stop teaching it, they lose that knowledge.
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 4/11/05 - 12:20:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
How hard is it to remember: Don't kill people.

It's a law .. so it's not too hard to pick up on, no matter how quickly the parents stop reminding them.

17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 4/11/05 - 2:07:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
Again, I ask, do the bullies take NO responsibility for their actions?
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 4/11/05 - 5:57:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
Bullies, as has been pointed out to you, have been around forever. school shootings are a recent phenomenom.

Blaming bullies for kids going nutty is simply asinine on your part. Blaming the parents is also asinine. These are teenagers. They are old enough to know right from wrong. They are responsible for their actions. Thankfully, all these cowards have saved the taxpayers money and offed themselves while on their little rampages.

Good Riddance!!

17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 4/11/05 - 9:33:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think everyone involved ought to reflect on whether they could have done anything to change the outcome, twisebaker, but it is ultimately the individual who ultimately bears ultimate responsibility ultimately.
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Monday 4/11/05 - 11:59:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
This question ignores and oversimplifies so many issues I don't know where to start. You need to look at the nexus of biography and social structure, et. al. Take a remedial sociology class.
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 4/12/05 - 9:47:32 AM EST (GMT-5)
UncleLaughie - I'm not arguing who bears ultimate responsibility. However, I am tired of bullies like Brett_Weir saying that it's NO ONE'S fault BUT the kid in question.

Lush - It's interesting that YT has so many experts on everything under the age of 29.

17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 4/12/05 - 12:19:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
If you keep wanting to talk about other people's "responsibility" without first acknowledging that the individual ultimately is responsible, it is reasonable to me that a person such as brett_weir beat the other drum just as myopically.
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 4/12/05 - 3:18:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm a "bully" because I believe in personal responsibility?

Then "Bully" is a mantel I will wear proudly.

17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 4/12/05 - 3:23:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
Old aged kids learned to deal with bully'ing. New kids can't handle it. How come?
17 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 4/12/05 - 4:50:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
UncleLaughie - Do you seriously believe that if I had said "yes, they are just as responsible as the bullies that drove them to it" that Brett would have changed his tune? If you do, you haven't read his other posts in other forums.

Rklesla - My guess is that 'bullying' has, too, changed over the decades. Teachers don't really care as much, either.

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