Sure. We have one. Money comes up a lot, but the basic idea behind it is one of treatment for people in general, not just the rich.

What country are you in?

Canada has a great health care system.

Canada has a "socialized" health care system, not a "great" one. It may be good for what it is, but just because old ladies (cough cough) can buy their drugs there while shucking much of the cost on Canadian taxpayers doesn't mean that their system is somehow superior.

The US system is good. It could be better, but it's good. People who claim that socializing it would lead to better care should get their heads examined, but I guess they'd complain that they can't afford it. In that case, get a job.

I think one of the problems that the US has is people think healthcare is a right, rather than a privilege. If you have nothing, then be glad there is anything available at all, because there are a lot of other places where you can't even get an asprin.

On 5/28/2005 1:18:29 AM otherPOLLY wrote: I think one of the problems that the US has is people think healthcare is a right, rather than a privilege.

You're f*cking kidding... As someone going into the field, I KNOW I'm doing it more than just to care for people who are willing to shell out money to me. Just because not everyone everywhere has it doesn't change a right to a privilege. The AMA itself in its "Patient's Bill of Rights" states that patients have a "right to essential health care."

When its treated as a privilege instead of a right, you end up spending MORE when people unable to afford medications end up with progressed conditions recieving hospital care when they could have done well enough on a prescription.

On 3/14/2005 3:07:39 PM grinwald wrote: The US system is good. It could be better, but it's good. People who claim that socializing it would lead to better care should get their heads examined, but I guess they'd complain that they can't afford it. In that case, get a job.

I have a job - I drive taxi - sometimes 60 hours a week. No health care.

Before that, I was a substitute school teacher. Variable days and hours. No health care.

Before that, I was a cashier. 40 hours a week. No health care.

"A new study analyzing data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that a significant number of working Americans in every state do not have health care coverage, with more than 20 million working adults not having coverage. In eight states, at least one in five working adults is uninsured."

On 5/28/2005 1:29:57 AM Malletman wrote: On 5/28/2005 1:18:29 AM otherPOLLY wrote: I think one of the problems that the US has is people think healthcare is a right, rather than a privilege. You're f*cking kidding... As someone going into the field, I KNOW I'm doing it more than just to care for people who are willing to shell out money to me. Just because not everyone everywhere has it doesn't change a right to a privilege. The AMA itself in its "Patient's Bill of Rights" states that patients have a "right to essential health care." When its treated as a privilege instead of a right, you end up spending MORE when people unable to afford medications end up with progressed conditions recieving hospital care when they could have done well enough on a prescription.

My point was that some people think they are OWED health care through a government entity. I didn't mean to imply that people should be denied care.

Even paid healthcare suxs in the states. I have been in healthcare 30 years and have seen medicare regulations make our current system little more than assembly line patient care. For example I am allowed to spend 12 minutes administering a aerosol medication to an asthmatic. It doesnt matter to administration whether or not I need to give the patient more attention.

we used to. boy, those were the days. pity they'll never come back.

On 3/14/2005 3:07:39 PM grinwald wrote: ....but I guess they'd complain that they can't afford it. In that case, get a job.

don't you just love how the conservatives' solution to any and all monetary woes is "get a job"? lots of people have jobs and still can't afford to get by.

On 2/18/2005 12:37:55 AM psheldrake1 wrote: Canada has a great health care system.

cough cough... argg, what is wrong with getting a job, anyway??? If more people had jobs that would mean fewer people sitting around on their butts taking money from the workers!! Canada does not have a great health system. I have hospital receipts from my grandfather. This was back in the 1930's. Three day stay in the hospital was about $24!! In my lifetime I have watched as the government has gotten more and more in control of our care, and the system has gotten worse. The state should have nothing to do with health care. Some people want to screw it up so that the state can come in and take it over. Once the state has complete control over our health care, they will then feel justified in controlling even more of our life(diets, exercise, etc).

That's because everything cost less in the 1930s, it's called inflation. It's not due to increased government control of the healthcare system.

My father used to get complete physicals(in the mid 70's) for just $6.00!! What has changed??? Medicine did use to be cheap!! Doctors used to make house calls for gods sake!!! The government is throwing so many regulations and restrictions at hospitals and doctors it is just riduculus!! There are also problems with insurances and lawyers!!

On 6/25/2005 10:51:50 PM 112233w wrote: My father used to get complete physicals(in the mid 70's) for just $6.00!! What has changed??? Medicine did use to be cheap!! Doctors used to make house calls for gods sake!!! The government is throwing so many regulations and restrictions at hospitals and doctors it is just riduculus!! There are also problems with insurances and lawyers!!

it's called "corporate greed". look into it.

umm i think that they need to focus more on the health of chickens, i mean CHICKENS!!!! we dont need the health of people, the earth is too over populated n/e way... we need more CHICKENS!!!!

On 6/25/2005 10:59:59 PM abc-123 wrote: umm i think that they need to focus more on the health of chickens, i mean CHICKENS!!!! we dont need the health of people, the earth is too over populated n/e way... we need more CHICKENS!!!!

On 6/25/2005 10:57:07 PM uglyweirdguy wrote: On 6/25/2005 10:51:50 PM 112233w wrote: it's called "corporate greed". look into it.

You are right! There is just a lot of greed out there. I always heard that the US could never be taken over by an invading army. We would just do ourselves in! Lawyers are helping a great deal in that end! Doctors are practicing medicine with two eyes on the courtroom! It is just a shame!! I realize lawyers are very important, but they make their living off of conflict. They need to be balanced out in some way! I read an article taht their were lawyers in a Texas hospital ER literally walking around giving people on stretchers their cards and telling them he would help them pay their bills!! it is just disgusting.

On 6/25/2005 10:51:50 PM 112233w wrote: My father used to get complete physicals(in the mid 70's) for just $6.00!! What has changed??? Medicine did use to be cheap!! Doctors used to make house calls for gods sake!!! The government is throwing so many regulations and restrictions at hospitals and doctors it is just riduculus!! There are also problems with insurances and lawyers!!

It's not about the government. It's about inflation and as uwg said, corporate greed. Sure, lawsuits play a part, but most can not be attributed to lawsuits. And very little, if any of it can be attributed to the government.

On 3/14/2005 3:07:39 PM grinwald wrote: Canada has a "socialized" health care system, not a "great" one. It may be good for what it is, but just because old ladies (cough cough) can buy their drugs there while shucking much of the cost on Canadian taxpayers doesn't mean that their system is somehow superior. The US system is good. It could be better, but it's good. People who claim that socializing it would lead to better care should get their heads examined, but I guess they'd complain that they can't afford it. In that case, get a job.

When have you ever had a chance to experience our health care system? Cuz I'll tell you my mother- in -law experienced yours and had a job with medical coverage and STILL had to pay about
$100 000 for her portion. Meanwhile my 7 month old nephew is having his 2nd of 3 heart surgeries
that my sister won't have to worry about whether or not she'll be able to feed her family after!

you want to try out our English NHS. It's absolutely sh*t. Sitting in the waiting room while the guy next to you nurses his severed f*cking arm is like something out of a Monty Python movie. And all the doctors are Serbo-f*cking-Croatian so you can't understand what's wrong with you even after they f*cking tell you.

On 6/25/2005 10:47:07 PM 112233w wrote: On 2/18/2005 12:37:55 AM psheldrake1 wrote: Canada has a great health care system. cough cough... argg, what is wrong with getting a job, anyway??? If more people had jobs that would mean fewer people sitting around on their butts taking money from the workers!! Canada does not have a great health system. I have hospital receipts from my grandfather. This was back in the 1930's. Three day stay in the hospital was about $24!! In my lifetime I have watched as the government has gotten more and more in control of our care, and the system has gotten worse. The state should have nothing to do with health care. Some people want to screw it up so that the state can come in and take it over. Once the state has complete control over our health care, they will then feel justified in controlling even more of our life(diets, exercise, etc).

That was in the 30's BEFORE we implemented our public health care system.