(Court TV) — Third-party voters in next week's presidential election say they have found a way to have their cake and eat it, too. Swing-state progressives who acknowledge that their votes for Ralph Nader, David Cobb or Michael Badnarik are little more than political statements are turning to Votepair.org, a Web site that puts them in contact with Democrats in states with a candidate clearly in the lead. 

The pair-up produces an agreement in which the progressive voter pledges to cast a ballot for John Kerry in his swing state and the Democrat promises to cast a third-party vote in his Republican-safe state to bolster polls nationwide. For example, a Nader supporter in a battleground state such as Ohio would agree to 'pair' his vote with a Kerry supporter in Texas, where Bush is certain to win. Nader would receive the same overall vote nationally; Kerry would pick up a ballot in a state where voters are divided.

Absent from the process is the exchange of money or material compensation or the words 'swap' or 'trade,' which render agreements at Votepair.org legal. Several politicians have said that despite its legality, vote-pairing is unethical...

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Do you think vote pairing should be against the law?
(Court TV) — Third-party voters in next week`s presidential election say they have found a way to have their cake and eat it, too. Swing-state progressives who acknowledge that their votes for Ralph Nader, David Cobb or Michael Badnarik are little more than political statements are turning to Votepair.org, a Web site that puts them in contact with Democrats in states with a candidate clearly in the lead.

The pair-up produces an agreement in which the progressive voter pledges to cast a ballot for John Kerry in his swing state and the Democrat promises to cast a third-party vote in his Republican-safe state to bolster polls nationwide. For example, a Nader supporter in a battleground state such as Ohio would agree to `pair` his vote with a Kerry supporter in Texas, where Bush is certain to win. Nader would receive the same overall vote nationally; Kerry would pick up a ballot in a state where voters are divided.

Absent from the process is the exchange of money or material compensation or the words `swap` or `trade,` which render agreements at Votepair.org legal. Several politicians have said that despite its legality, vote-pairing is unethical...

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17 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Wednesday 11/3/04 - 11:14:34 AM EST (GMT-5)
That's just stupid.
17 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Wednesday 11/3/04 - 11:18:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
Yes. That's cheating.
17 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Wednesday 11/3/04 - 11:23:11 AM EST (GMT-5)
Why is it cheating? It's taking advantage of the flawed EC system, nothing more, nothing less.
17 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Wednesday 11/3/04 - 11:26:10 AM EST (GMT-5)
It gives certain candidates an unfair advantage in areas.
17 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Wednesday 11/3/04 - 11:28:30 AM EST (GMT-5)
This is immoral and stupid. Why would you ever trust someone to do what they said in this arrangement?

Malletman: the EC protects states' rights. If you've got a better plan, lay it out.

17 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Wednesday 11/3/04 - 11:33:58 AM EST (GMT-5)
Well, it's up to the individuals to decide who they vote for, and thus I don't see anything illegal about vote pairing. People might not like it, but too bad.

If I decide to vote for Candidate X because I think he's going to give me a huge tax break that I know I don't deserve, it that any more immoral? Maybe that should be illegal as well. Or if I vote for a third party candidate, not because I want to see him win, but because I want to cast my vote for more political diversity, is that also immoral?

People choose candidates for a variety of reasons and any encroachment on their freedom of decision is what *I* would find immoral. Just because I might think someone cast a vote for the "wrong" reasons is not enough to make their ability to do so illegal.

17 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Wednesday 11/3/04 - 11:40:58 AM EST (GMT-5)
"Malletman: the EC protects states' rights. If you've got a better plan, lay it out."

A lot more EC votes and proportional splitting among states. Right now, a vote in a state with 3 votes counts a heckuva lot more than one that is above the minimum.

17 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Wednesday 11/3/04 - 11:55:40 AM EST (GMT-5)
If we go with the more votes idea to remove the minimum state advantage, you basically have gone to a popular vote and lose the whole idea of protecting state rights.

Same deal with proportional splitting, but I think some big states would do well to do this. People in some large states get completely unrepresented. NY is a great example, but even CA has this problem to a small degree. Oddly, it seems it's the smaller states that seem more interested in doing this.

17 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Wednesday 11/3/04 - 1:54:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
"NY is a great example, but even CA has this problem to a small degree."

Did Kerry even bother campaigning in CA?

17 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Monday 11/15/04 - 6:51:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
"the EC protects states' rights. If you've got a better plan, lay it out."

States' rights are supposed to be representative of individual rights. In this case, they take away from individual rights.

17 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Monday 11/15/04 - 7:18:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
Surely this is illegal already. Jeez, you might as well let dead people vote too.
17 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Monday 11/15/04 - 11:12:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
If it was illegal already, would there be articles and questions about the legality of it?
17 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Monday 11/15/04 - 11:18:44 AM EST (GMT-5)
It seems that everyone who is arguing for vote pairing is liberal, and everyone against it leans to the right. I find it funny that no matter how the liberal want to slice the cake, Bush still won. If you go by EC he won and if you go by popular vote he won.

Right now I think that EC is the best option we have, and that vote pairing should be done away with. Changing the system is one thing, but cheating it is another, even if it still didn't work.

17 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Friday 2/18/05 - 8:53:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
this is awsome! what a wonderful way to cheat the system? i am proud of these librals.. this is funny. oh i love it!!!
17 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 3/11/05 - 12:01:14 AM EST (GMT-5)
its your vote dippoo. you should be able to use it how you want.
17 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 3/11/05 - 12:01:42 AM EST (GMT-5)
^dipsh*t*
17 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Friday 3/11/05 - 12:03:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
it should have been mandatory
i'd have voted for nader for an ohioan or floridan voting for kerry..
17 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Monday 4/4/05 - 7:30:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
That's the first I've heard of it, and it sounds fantastic!
17 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Monday 4/4/05 - 7:40:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
seems fine to me, its their votes
17 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Monday 4/18/05 - 3:13:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
First time I hear about this. Very interesting, but too early to have an opinion.
16 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Tuesday 6/28/05 - 2:00:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think Americans getting obsessed with politics and endlessly arguing over wanton and prolix dogma should be made illegal.



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