CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa - A woman fed up with drivers speeding through her neighborhood took matters into her own hands: She posted speed limit signs in her yard. Conni Morrell, a stay-at-home mother of three, bought the large 25 mph signs on the Internet. She also put the white signs up in a neighbor's yard. 

Morrell started lobbying City Hall to do something about speeders after her family moved to the upscale neighborhood three years ago. Neighbors lobbied for a stop sign at a nearby intersection, but the city decided against it...

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Should this woman`s signs be able to stay up?
CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa - A woman fed up with drivers speeding through her neighborhood took matters into her own hands: She posted speed limit signs in her yard. Conni Morrell, a stay-at-home mother of three, bought the large 25 mph signs on the Internet. She also put the white signs up in a neighbor`s yard.

Morrell started lobbying City Hall to do something about speeders after her family moved to the upscale neighborhood three years ago. Neighbors lobbied for a stop sign at a nearby intersection, but the city decided against it...

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19 yrs ago - Saturday 4/26/03 - 1:31:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
Umm...It's her yard, right? Her prperty, her decision. And as long as her neighbor doesn't mind the signs in his own yard as well, who cares?
19 yrs ago - Saturday 4/26/03 - 1:56:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
Because you are forging? official signs. It's false representation in legal terms although she's not doing any real harm.
19 yrs ago - Saturday 4/26/03 - 5:52:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
Exactly ecinue - you can't just put up whatever fake street signs you want in your yard.
19 yrs ago - Saturday 4/26/03 - 5:52:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
Well you can but you shouldn't be expected to not be prosecuted for owning city property, and you can't expect people to actually obey them.
19 yrs ago - Saturday 4/26/03 - 6:05:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
I love the idea, but indeed it would probably be illegal.
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 6:40:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
Well, the odd person would be tricked into obeying them because they look real. But it's somewhat vigilante to do so.
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 6:44:49 AM EST (GMT-5)
story has expired - but if there truly is a problem that is dangerous - then why not? govt and council are too full of burocracy
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 6:56:46 AM EST (GMT-5)
Malls put up fake street signs all the time. Sems to me it's perfectly legal, and if people slow down, more power to her.
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 7:22:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
she just went the wrong way about it. she should have just taken the matter up with the local authorities and persuaded them to put official signs up
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 8:06:07 AM EST (GMT-5)
Malls are private property, and they go to some effort to make their street signs not look like official ones. The reason she's getting into trouble over this is because she's implying or trying to deceive people into thinking that the street in front of her house is her property, which it's not.
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 8:12:08 AM EST (GMT-5)
The sign is posted on her property, as are the signs on mall property. I don't know about speed limit signs looking the same, but most mall stop signs I've ever seen look just like the real deal. Clearly she made attempts through the proper channels and was shot down, so why not employ her freedom of expression?
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 8:21:10 AM EST (GMT-5)
Its her yard and anyway dosent she live in a residentail area were the speed limit is 25 mph anyway? If the place she lived in wasnt 25 mph there would be a problem but i dont see a problem with her friendly reminder that the speed limit is X.
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 9:00:39 AM EST (GMT-5)
Note: I'm merely providing counter points to your argument, I don't really feel strongly about either side The problem is she's misleading people to believe that she has jurisdiction over the street, which she does not. Malls have jurisdiction over the behavior in their parking lots, and she has jurisdiction over the speed they drive in her yard, but not on the street. If the sign said speed limit 25mph in this yard, she'd be fine, but the intention here is for people to think sign applies to the street. It's a case of overstepping her bounds, even if it doesn't do any harm in this case.
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 9:01:57 AM EST (GMT-5)
Well what is the speed limit on the street that is the questiont that needs to be answered.
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 9:21:07 AM EST (GMT-5)
I think the question is more: Is it a serious infraction to speak for the government when you don't have the authority to do so? Regardless of whether your information is correct or not, do you have the right to represent a governmental body without their consent?
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 9:25:02 AM EST (GMT-5)
She not, she smply reminded people that the speed limit is there, in fact shes doing them a favor. SOme street dont label their speed limit properly enough, shes saving people speeding tickets
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 9:26:04 AM EST (GMT-5)
It is the problem of the people being misled, not the problem of the woman doing the misleading. If I paint a giant yellow H in a circle on my front lawn and a helicopter lands there, should I be held liable for it? Sure, I've misrepresented my lawn, but isn't it the responsibility of the people subject to the laws to be cognizent of their application? Speed limits are not assigned arbitrarily, and the posting of signs is, largely, a courtesy to motorists. Speed limits are based on the population density of an area, and on the number and frequency of access points to the road.
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 9:30:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
I don't think she's doing any harm, but that's what she'll get into trouble for, is what I meant. Even if the information is correct or a friendly reminder.
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 9:35:25 AM EST (GMT-5)
why doesn't she just petition the city to put up speed limit signs..? or better yet, to put speedbumps on her street..?
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 9:42:21 AM EST (GMT-5)
People who don't read the additional info should not post, period. The story clearly states that she HAS been lobbying for change since she moved to the area, and that the neighborhood petitioned to have a stop sign put in but was shot down.
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 9:49:25 AM EST (GMT-5)
oops..missed the second paragraph.. if the actual speed limit is 25, the signs should stay. and pestering city hall for speed bumps and other safety measures (better signs, lighting, etc) should be her long term goal..she's not going to be able to afford all that herself..
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 9:59:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
"It is the problem of the people being misled, not the problem of the woman doing the misleading. If I paint a giant yellow H in a circle on my front lawn and a helicopter lands there, should I be held liable for it? " No, but similarly you can't sue for damages caused by said helicopter landing on your lawn. If you fixed your house up to look like a medical landing pad and the resulting confusion/delay caused the death of a person, then yes, you would be held liable for it. The government doesn't like being misrepresented any more than you would like someone to quote you out of context to make you sound like a bigot/idiot. Even if you really did say it in another context.
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 10:42:47 AM EST (GMT-5)
I could, absolutely, sue for those damages. It is not incumbent upon me to make sure that all helicopter pilots know where they can and cannot land, nor is it incumbent upon this woman to make sure that all motorists know the legal speed limit. Were I to make up my house to look like a hospital landing pad the situation would be no different. A helicopter pilot engaged in a life-critical flight is required to know where he should land; the suggestion that it's my fault that he landed on my lawn instead of at the hospital is downright ludicrous. What the government "likes" is completely beside the point here. What the government is legally able to do is more at issue.
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 11:09:32 AM EST (GMT-5)
If you fixed a suitably convincing 'fake'; i.e. imitating the proper official forms/layout, location and landing lights, so that the pad would look like a legal landing pad, you are 'scamming' them. Either you'll get into trouble for constructing an illegal/substandard landing area, or you'll get into trouble for attempting create a convincing fake. You can't create similar looking fake money for the same reason. Impersonating a police officer has similar penalties because you're taking steps to fake an authority you don't have. Getting an official looking sign and placing it by the street in such a way as to imply that the sign refers to the street counts as intentional deception, from one point of view.
19 yrs ago - Sunday 4/27/03 - 11:23:47 AM EST (GMT-5)
I think the only point to make is that what she did (and is doing) is illegal. She took an actual city street sign and tried to put it up - what if I put a stop sign in my front yard so people would have to stop in front of my house? Just because it's on my grass doesn't mean I have the right to do that. They have those gay signs I see overprotective parents put up all the time, that say "Keep kids alive, drive 25" - she could put one of those up and be perfectly within her rights. But not an actual street sign, that's just wrong.

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