Think about it, insects can survive a nuclear holocaust, everything we've tried to do to kill them off has failed, they've always come back stronger and better adapted to the things we try to stop them.  In the end which species is really superior? Question Who's Online | Find Members | Private Messages
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Evolution-wise, who is the superior species: humans or insects?
Think about it, insects can survive a nuclear holocaust, everything we`ve tried to do to kill them off has failed, they`ve always come back stronger and better adapted to the things we try to stop them. In the end which species is really superior?


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19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 2:14:21 AM EST (GMT-5)
If, by this logic, insects are superior, surely it doesn't make any sense that a species that can survive a nuclear holocaust can be killed by something as mundane as the sole of a shoe?
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 3:05:10 AM EST (GMT-5)
It depends what you mean by superior. Insects have been and will be around for a lot longer than us(and it's a bit unfair to pit 1 species against 28 million or whatever), but I'd rather be a human any day, and basicly it's an awful lot more fun. I'm a bit confused as to what the word "superior" is supposed to mean in evolutionry terms, actualy.
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 3:09:18 AM EST (GMT-5)
Evloutionarily Humans are far more advanced, given that we used to be insects at some point (or something closely related)
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 3:40:30 AM EST (GMT-5)
Not exactly, Kaneda. It's true that humans are a hell of a lot more complex, but the insects have been developing for just as long as our line(both starting at the origin of life about 2.5 billion years ago). The insects are just as adapted and advanced to their situation as we are, we just have a rather more unusual and complicated one.
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 3:47:34 AM EST (GMT-5)
Timber: But many species of insects have been unchanged for the past few million years.
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 3:49:15 AM EST (GMT-5)
But they're still equaly advanced, in evolutionary terms, because they've survived. In fact, they've survived more generations than our line has(shorter generations), so you could say insects are more advanced. That doesn't mean anything profound. It just means they survive well.
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 3:49:58 AM EST (GMT-5)
Species with very short life spans are far more adaptable than species like humans or elephants. Bacteria can evolve through many generations in a matter of days. This ability to survive in changing cicumstances does not necessarily make it superior.
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 3:54:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
In some definitions of "superior" it does. This is a bad question, because "superior" in this sense could mean absolutely anything. I'm just disputing Kaneda saying "Humans are more advanced". But I agree that this doesn't really mean "superior", because I'm not quite sure what "superior" means in this context.
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 3:55:36 AM EST (GMT-5)
Humans are more advanced, it's a widely recognised fact.
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 3:57:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
^ good point, Boredofu. Insects are merely more adaptable, but humans are far more advanced and, it follows, evolutionarily superior. True, though, that 'superior' is a little unclear. On the other hand, an entire kingdom is being compared to a single species, which is a bit unbalanced. Species for species I'd say we're definitely superior. Kaneda: when were humans ever insects?
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 3:59:23 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'm assuming if you go back far enough, we both have a common ancestor.
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 4:02:21 AM EST (GMT-5)
Oh I see. Yeah, we almost certainly do.
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 3:56:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
Evolutionary superiority is based on a species ability to survive and adapt to its environment. It's a question because, Insects are built to breed like crazy and while their simplicity and size makes each individual insect inferior in the sense of survival, it is unlikely we will see the extinction of any of the species alive today, but here I'll narrow this down a bit, just beetles. Well as individuals are species can adapt, learn and teach to survive, in the end, will that be enough, or will the beetles still out live us, despite their simplicity. Which species has trully reached an evolutionary peak? The learning man, or the breeding insect? I may be able to kill one beetle with my foot, but who will have the last laugh in the end?
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 3:59:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
Bigmax: We can be killed by the sole of a shoe, too... A very *big* shoe...
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 4:02:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
Humans and insects are both equally advanced, in my opinion. Humans have adapted mentally, while insects have adapted for survival.. Actually, we've both adapted for survival, just in different ways. Insects have their short life spans and humans have their intelligence.
19 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 12/17/02 - 4:04:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
the reason insects like beetles can survive a neuclear holocaust is, the radiation won't be enough kill them (they are so much hardier than us in this respect it's amazing), two, neuclear winter will still leave enough minute amounts of life to support the more simpler lifeforms like that of insects, even though many of them will die, they can be back up to a healthy level in less than a weeks time, even if brought to brink of extinction.
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Tuesday 1/14/03 - 12:53:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
What has killed off humans? And which can program a VCR?
19 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Tuesday 1/14/03 - 2:26:33 AM EST (GMT-5)
...I expect I'm not the only one to point out that 'Insects' is a collection of hundreds of thousands of different species.
19 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Tuesday 2/25/03 - 5:22:17 AM EST (GMT-5)
no your not. Wow this is interesting and a little ambigious as to a detailed definition of evolutionarily advancement. I guess mammals vs insects (to make a fair playing field) is almost equal in terms of their variated means of adapting to living conditions but the insects have survived the test of time. hmmmmmm. I'm declaring a draw--insects and mammals fit into every ecological niche imaginable. And neither class is threatened.
19 yrs ago, 6 mos ago - Thursday 3/20/03 - 2:05:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
Insects are pretty tough and well adapted.
19 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Friday 4/11/03 - 2:16:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
We are. We don't breath through holes in our asses.
19 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 4/26/03 - 7:43:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
mammals vs insects? I'd have to pick insects. The extinction of insects would result in 1) loss of insect dependent plants (pollination) 2) loss of insectivores (small mammal species) 3) loss of 2nd tier of mammals that feed off insectivores and upward through the food chain till we get to people and VCRs Loss of mammalian life, however would kill only those parasites that have adapted to the mamalian form. Lice and ticks will survive on birds, for example and so will mosquitoes.
19 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 4/26/03 - 7:57:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
What's that got to do with evolutionary superiority?
19 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 4/26/03 - 11:05:05 AM EST (GMT-5)
Mammals have evolved to the point where they are dependant on insects but the reverse is not so. As a kingdom, insects cover enough ecological niches to survive on their own, and are capable of evolving to fill any gaps that mammals might leave if we were to all vanish tomorrow.
19 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Tuesday 6/10/03 - 1:15:17 AM EST (GMT-5)
wow, i'm glad to see that people had a good argument in favor of the insects, as i'd totally agree. i guess this is really outdated, but hey...

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