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Is morality formed by society or God?


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19 yrs ago - Tuesday 5/14/02 - 9:36:02 AM EST (GMT-5)
Morals are socially formed. Ethics are decided by god.
19 yrs ago - Tuesday 5/14/02 - 9:37:24 AM EST (GMT-5)
Both gods and morality are formed by humans.
18 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Tuesday 9/3/02 - 1:37:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
Human society forms all of those.
18 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Tuesday 9/3/02 - 1:42:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
society forms all morals and ethics. It forms god to provide divine enforcement of said morals and ethics.
14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 12/31/06 - 6:55:16 AM EST (GMT-5)
Society created morality.

IF God did exist he doesn't have full control over our planet anyway so he wouldn't be able to control or create morality.

14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 12/31/06 - 11:02:30 AM EST (GMT-5)
Let's think about this... Society exits and God does not...
14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 12/31/06 - 11:09:47 AM EST (GMT-5)
Both. Apples and oranges.
On 5/14/2002 9:36:02 AM elbereth wrote:
Morals are socially formed. Ethics are decided by god.
I'm curious about the distinction you're making here.
14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 12/31/06 - 11:09:56 AM EST (GMT-5)
Morality was discovered by us, but was planned out by God for us to find.
14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 12/31/06 - 11:14:48 AM EST (GMT-5)
Formed by God I think
14 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Sunday 12/31/06 - 11:16:18 AM EST (GMT-5)
The problem I see with claiming it all comes from society is that you can then justify *anything* according to some society somewhere. Human sacrifice, slavery, murder, rape, and a variety of other inherently immoral acts have been rationalized as moral at some point in time by some society.
And I don't think I'm overstepping my bounds in calling these things *inherently* immoral. I will not push my belief in God, because that's about faith, and it is pointless to witness to the unwilling listener, but whatever else anyone might call it other than "God," there is *something* that defines morality outside of the individual society.
14 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Wednesday 1/17/07 - 2:44:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
should be formed by God
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 3/31/07 - 7:14:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
Couldn't it come from rational and logical thought rather than society or God? Kant, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates all those guys developed morality through thought rather than society or God, although both could have influenced of the thought.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 3/31/07 - 7:31:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm not so sure about Aristotle or Socrates, but Plato and Kant both believed in God. I assume that would include Socrates, but I'm not sure. Since both men, particularly Kant, dealt with that concept in their philosophical writings, why would you conclude they arrived at their conclusions exclusive of God?

14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 3/31/07 - 8:03:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
I did not, I just said that Kant derived his morality from thought and rationality, even if it was influenced by God. If you read the Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals Kant does not base his morality on God or religion but reason. God could have influenced his thought process, but the basis for following Kantian ethics does not require a belief in God.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Saturday 3/31/07 - 8:20:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
But Kant, through his rationale, concluded there is a God. I'd say that leaves any thought that Kant, himself, believed his conclusions were not then affected by such a being as shaky at best.

Christian ethics don't require a belief in God. But I submit that following any ethical system that concludes there is a God would likely cause the follower to conclude likewise. It'd take some serious compartmentalism to do otherwise. Bordering on the psychotic.

14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Sunday 4/1/07 - 12:45:02 AM EST (GMT-5)
Kant's ethical system does conclude that though, just his other writings. His ethical system is justified using reason, with no mention of God. Importantly Kant's ethics are not Christian ethics. Kant's categorical imperatives (act not except upon that maxim which you can, at the same time, will into universal law; use people only as ends never as a means) are not found in the Bible (although the first is close to the Golden Rule, it is not the Golden Rule and differs in some important aspects). So Kant did not derive his ethics from his religion, but from his own thought. Clearly with the Categorical imperative being so close to the Golden Rule there is some mixing, and society probably influenced him as well, but that is, I would claim, not the primary basis for his ethical framework.
14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Sunday 4/1/07 - 4:06:10 AM EST (GMT-5)
On 12/31/2006 11:16:19 AM IRLIteach wrote:
The problem I see with claiming it all comes from society is that you can then justify *anything* according to some society somewhere. Human sacrifice, slavery, murder, rape, and a variety of other inherently immoral acts have been rationalized as moral at some point in time by some society.

and i would say that they were at the time. immoral by our standards, not by theirs. morality is a fluid, subjective thing as far as i'm concerned.

that's not to say that it's not extremely important to me. for me, it's essentially based on the idea of doing no harm. for a christian, there are more factors, so my hardcore rightwing christian friend can categorically state that homosexuality is wrong because 'god made adam and eve, not adam and steve'.

14 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Sunday 4/1/07 - 7:51:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
As I went onto say, though, "I don't think I'm overstepping my bounds in calling these things *inherently* immoral." I don't believe, in the case of, say, rape, that it is ever okay just because a different society says it is. That is not to say that there aren't extreme circumstances that might change the situation, but rape as we know it in the modern Western world is inherently immoral regardless of society.
14 yrs ago - Tuesday 5/8/07 - 9:39:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
Is this not like saying that, if you don't believe in God, you're not moral? Because if it is, that's complete bullsh*t. I'm tired of people thinking this way. It really pisses me off, because I don't think anyone needs some big man in the sky, watching our every move to do the right thing. I've have people ask me why, if I'm not religious, do I follow the morality of the f*cking bible... wtf?
Now, what is the right thing? The right thing is not doing anything that could potentially hurt someone else, physically or emotionally. That's what I think morality is.
Sorry, I just get pissed off when people make it seem like they're holier than thou, just because they can't seem to come up with their own set of rules and morals.
/end_rant
14 yrs ago - Tuesday 5/8/07 - 9:40:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
had* not have* sorry, kiddies.
14 yrs ago - Tuesday 5/8/07 - 9:46:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
Morality and ethics are exceedingly subjective. But since I think the bible was written by humans I'd have to say society.
13 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Saturday 6/23/07 - 2:50:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
Perhaps
God is formed by society

As Voltaire once said
"If God did not exist,
it would be necessary to invent him"

13 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Saturday 6/23/07 - 5:14:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
Neither... Morality is created by an individual... Morality is a code of values to guide mans choices or actions--the choices and actions that determine the purpose and course of his life. Only an individual can decide this.
13 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Saturday 6/23/07 - 5:24:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
On 12/31/2006 11:16:19 AM IRLIteach wrote:
The problem I see with claiming it all comes from society is that you can then justify *anything* according to some society somewhere. Human sacrifice, slavery, murder, rape, and a variety of other inherently immoral acts have been rationalized as moral at some point in time by some society. And I don't think I'm overstepping my bounds in calling these things *inherently* immoral. I will not push my belief in God, because that's about faith, and it is pointless to witness to the unwilling listener, but whatever else anyone might call it other than "God," there is *something* that defines morality outside of the individual society.

Of course, the justification at the time was often that God tells us this is the way it should be.


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