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1 month ago - Saturday 8/6/22 - 11:05:06 AM EST (GMT-5)
It is not and should not be the responsibility of a public school to teach children about religion. As I already stated, no matter how "neutrally" they try to teach the class, it could create divisions between students and resentments and arguments. Students may feel socially excluded and discriminated. The church and state should remain separate.

Alternative explanations about the origin and development of human life such as creationism and intelligent design should not be discussed because it is a religious belief and there is no scientifically valid evidence it is correct and may even confuse students thinking it may be a possible alternative to the theory of evolution because it was discussed in school.




1 month ago - Saturday 8/6/22 - 11:32:20 AM EST (GMT-5)
I think evolution begs some insane combinations of cause and effect in order to be true. Most systems are in a constant state of degrading due to entropy right?
1 month ago - Saturday 8/6/22 - 11:57:00 AM EST (GMT-5)
We’re told that systems are good and systems just get better and better. Not ever the actual case.
1 month ago - Saturday 8/6/22 - 12:43:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
That's because you're not actually thinking. First off, entropy is a net aggregate for closed systems. Earth is not a closed system it's powered by the sun. Second, evolution is usually a process of simplification by specialization. Third, because thermodynamics second law is about energy... What isn't entropic about a bunch of chains of matter that replicate themselves over and over and over and whose only obvious purpose is to expand more energy?
1 month ago - Saturday 8/6/22 - 12:55:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
No. That’s that PMA. Nonsense.
1 month ago - Saturday 8/6/22 - 12:55:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
Light being energy is just the message.
1 month ago - Saturday 8/6/22 - 12:58:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
*expend
1 month ago - Saturday 8/6/22 - 1:01:57 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 8/6/22 - 12:58:45 PM Kepi wrote:
*expend


What Makes A Man Start Fires?
1 month ago - Saturday 8/6/22 - 9:38:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 8/6/22 - 12:58:45 PM Kepi wrote:
*expend
On Saturday 8/6/22 - 1:01:57 PM amaqdrinker wrote:
What Makes A Man Start Fires?


Minute Men albums aside, I always bet on spite.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/7/22 - 8:46:09 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 8/6/22 - 12:55:51 PM amaqdrinker wrote:
Light being energy is just the message.


No, that's a fact, plants literally absorb it as food. Those plants are then processed by animals (who are less complex on the cellular level, lacking a call wall) who burn off more and more of that energy. Earth is not a closed system. I mean the entire universe is probably not a closed system, given the asymmetry of gravity, but the observable features are not ever more energy complex than they were before. If they were you'd see species developing like... Natural radioactivity as a defense mechanism.

What you think the text is suggesting is not what the text is suggesting.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/7/22 - 8:54:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 8/6/22 - 12:55:03 PM amaqdrinker wrote:
No. That’s that PMA. Nonsense.


What's more likely:

That a hundred years of scientific study on both evolution and thermodynamics have created a consensus where both ideas work together because the data suggests they do.

OR

Some dipshxt from some fundy church who intentionally worked to poke holes in scientific theories in order to sell books, play politics, and gain unthinking followers was actually right.

I mean the mind fxcking boggles. But thanks for highlighting why we don't teach creationist bullshxt in schools: it fails any sort of good faith test you can give it. That's the difference between the big bang theory and intelligent design.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/7/22 - 9:57:06 AM EST (GMT-5)
Entropy is in systems that aren’t contained. Thermodynamics just refers to closed systems because they’re measurable. Predicting what happened billions of years ago isn’t exactly the MO of scientific observation and study generally. I honestly don’t believe that it’s important theologically how earth started but as I’ve said before the left begs faith with their rhetoric often. Evolution as the antithesis of God was pumped into the public school I went to at a fairly high rate. Just poking holes too I guess.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/7/22 - 10:03:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
Just want to remention that the homophone of Sun and Son is from German.

It’s a pretty story though.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/7/22 - 10:13:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
Also the idea that the scientific community represents a unified consensus on matters is a really dangerous lie that people sell.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/7/22 - 11:17:27 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 8/6/22 - 11:32:20 AM amaqdrinker wrote:
I think evolution begs some insane combinations of cause and effect in order to be true. Most systems are in a constant state of degrading due to entropy right?


Evolution is a scientific theory supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence. The theory of evolution explains natural phenomena in every field of the biological sciences, from paleontology to molecular genetics. Predicts patterns of species not just over time in the fossil record, but also in the distribution of species. The evidence is from many areas of biology, including the fossil record, anatomy, biogeography and molecular biology.



1 month ago - Sunday 8/7/22 - 11:17:52 AM EST (GMT-5)
Intelligent Design is not testable and cannot be validated by observable evidence. It is an ideology and not science.

Even if the earth is so complex it cannot be explained by the scientific theories such as evolution, that does not then mean it must have been designed by a supernatural entity.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/7/22 - 11:39:01 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 8/7/22 - 11:17:52 AM Atia wrote:
Intelligent Design is not testable and cannot be validated by observable evidence. It is an ideology and not science. Even if the earth is so complex it cannot be explained by the scientific theories such as evolution, that does not then mean it must have been designed by a supernatural entity.


I’m not claiming that. Creationism is not the source of my faith.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/7/22 - 11:41:35 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 8/6/22 - 11:32:20 AM amaqdrinker wrote:
I think evolution begs some insane combinations of cause and effect in order to be true. Most systems are in a constant state of degrading due to entropy right?
On Sunday 8/7/22 - 11:17:27 AM Atia wrote:
Evolution is a scientific theory supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence. The theory of evolution explains natural phenomena in every field of the biological sciences, from paleontology to molecular genetics. Predicts patterns of species not just over time in the fossil record, but also in the distribution of species. The evidence is from many areas of biology, including the fossil record, anatomy, biogeography and molecular biology.


Adaptation is very interesting and observable. That makes sense to me. Just questioning an extrapolation
1 month ago - Sunday 8/7/22 - 11:58:39 AM EST (GMT-5)
Peter says a day in the eyes of God is thousands of years. I’m not saying there couldn’t have been a mechanism of natural sciences that occurred in the seven days of Creation. I do think that if evolution did populate the earth that it is ordained by God but I don’t necessarily believe that it is the only possibility. I really do not know how God works though.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/7/22 - 12:07:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
The beneficial life force idea is really what we’re creating culturally. Evolution is a way that people consider their social behavior. It’s a widely attributed theory and a it’s clearly sold as an ideology as well. It’s not really existing solely in the scientific realm. It’s almost applied as social theory in a lot of cases. The scientific community kind of foster these ideas in society but once they leave the scientific community they kind of take on a life of their own. Again the idea that the scientific community is a unified authority is very dangerous.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/7/22 - 10:54:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 8/4/22 - 8:38:05 PM Atia wrote:
I don’t think any class on religion in public schools is appropriate. There are over 4,000 religions. Which religions would be discussed


Maybe choose from the largest and start with those. If the classes are popular, they can always add more.
1 month ago - Sunday 8/7/22 - 10:57:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 8/4/22 - 8:38:05 PM Atia wrote:
what if the majority of the students are Christian and only a few are Jewish or Muslim or Atheist? There will for sure be conflicts and arguments (Jesus is or is not the son of God) and students feeling ostracized.


The class would be teaching what the basic beliefs are in the religion being taught, it isn't about teaching that one religion is more correct than another.

Besides, these would be elective courses- - if kids don't want to study about a particular religion, maybe they shouldn't take the class.
1 month ago - Monday 8/8/22 - 6:54:41 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 8/7/22 - 9:57:06 AM amaqdrinker wrote:
Entropy is in systems that aren’t contained. Thermodynamics just refers to closed systems because they’re measurable.


No, Entropy can be observed in unclosed systems, but entropy as a law only applies to closed systems specifically because it accounts for the fact that, for example if you add more fuel to a fire that fire will you're ensuring that there will be less entropy in the system, so energy inputs, like that from the sun, have to be added into the entropy measure, i.e. earth is burning more fuel than earth can sustain, but far less than what the earth and sun together output, and again that's not even accommodating things like gravity or the amount of energy it takes to hold the orbits of planets, etc.
1 month ago - Monday 8/8/22 - 6:55:32 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 8/4/22 - 8:38:05 PM Atia wrote:
I don’t think any class on religion in public schools is appropriate. There are over 4,000 religions. Which religions would be discussed
On Sunday 8/7/22 - 10:54:01 PM CowDung wrote:
Maybe choose from the largest and start with those. If the classes are popular, they can always add more.


Yeah because that wouldn't be the government stoking factional infighting at all, no sir.
1 month ago - Monday 8/8/22 - 4:36:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 8/7/22 - 9:57:06 AM amaqdrinker wrote:
Entropy is in systems that aren’t contained. Thermodynamics just refers to closed systems because they’re measurable.
On Monday 8/8/22 - 6:54:41 AM Kepi wrote:
No, Entropy can be observed in unclosed systems, but entropy as a law only applies to closed systems specifically because it accounts for the fact that, for example if you add more fuel to a fire that fire will you're ensuring that there will be less entropy in the system, so energy inputs, like that from the sun, have to be added into the entropy measure, i.e. earth is burning more fuel than earth can sustain, but far less than what the earth and sun together output, and again that's not even accommodating things like gravity or the amount of energy it takes to hold the orbits of planets, etc.


Nice assumptions about systems we don’t fully

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