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Are you a feminist?
"Feminism is the radical idea that women are people."


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2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 1/31/12 - 4:25:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
If you'd given a simple, "Yes, I am," I probably wouldn't have thought anything of it. Since you got all defensive about insisting you were w/o any proof, I have my suspicions. Good thing you don't care.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 1/31/12 - 6:05:11 AM EST (GMT-5)
I was just rambling.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 1/31/12 - 6:49:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
Oh, hey! Now we have something in common: I don't care.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 1/31/12 - 7:27:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
Okaaaaaaay.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 1/31/12 - 2:08:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
Quite surprised by the number of women who've answered no to this question.

Kinda hoping they're also ensuring they don't receive the same pay and benefits as their male counterparts in the workplace, aren't voting, aren't using birth control without their partners permission, aren't in charge of their own finances, content to put up with domestic violence and rape, would not ask for a divorce, if divorced by their husband would not ask for any kind of settlement, remain silent in the face of sexual harassment, etc etc.

Although, I must say, I have my suspicions that may not be the case for all of them.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 1/31/12 - 2:42:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
Are those relevant things feminism stands for today, imagination? I mean, we don't want to slide back and we need to be on guard against people who would have things go backward, but a lot of those things are pretty secure right now. Hasn't feminism evolved some?

I suspect a lot of women who say they aren't feminists see feminism as a stagnant thing that is now obsolete. They buy the "feminazi" hyperbole or see it as a push to give women advantages others don't have, as opposed to equality.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 1/31/12 - 3:46:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, teach, it is absolutely relevant. Feminism is a journey. It started, a long time ago- before the term feminism had even been coined- and it's been an arduous slog ever since. If you're going to knock feminism you need to consider the big picture.

I'm British and enjoy a lot of rights, freedoms and legal protection- but they weren't granted to me, they were fought for- in some cases, people died fighting for them. I think taking their achievements for granted does a disservice to their memory.

Feminism in my country has evolved, but there are millions of women all over the world who are still fighting for basic rights; the vote, equal pay and conditions, education, reproductive rights, divorce, safety from domestic violence and sexual harassment.

Movements like promiscuous trollopwalk and #mensaythingstome have shown that feminism is not obsolete, we still need it.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 1/31/12 - 4:16:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, I care about outcomes way more than methodology, and I really don't think that a philosophy that interests itself only in one gender which is almost always the largest proportion of any society by coming of age is really on the right track.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 1/31/12 - 4:42:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 1/31/12 - 3:46:46 PM imagination wrote:
...feminism is not obsolete, we still need it.

I absolutely agree, but I think some of the things you listed are secure enough in Western culture that listing them with the others is likely to result in eye-rolling from people on the fence.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 1/31/12 - 5:14:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
tbh, eye rolling is the *least* women have to endure when they talk about feminism.

2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 1/31/12 - 5:33:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 1/31/12 - 3:46:46 PM imagination wrote:
Feminism in my country has evolved, but there are millions of women all over the world who are still fighting for basic rights; the vote, equal pay and conditions, education, reproductive rights, divorce, safety from domestic violence and sexual harassment.


We can't be the world's social worker.

Nor should we try.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 1/31/12 - 6:12:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
Obviously.

These women can win their rights without our help.

But that does not mean that I am not justified in supporting the sentiment behind that fight.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 2/1/12 - 5:51:17 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 1/31/12 - 5:14:02 PM imagination wrote:
tbh, eye rolling is the *least* women have to endure when they talk about feminism.

In response to talking - - *just* talking - - I'd say the apathy represented by eye-rolling *is* the worst direcdt result. I mean, is talking about feminism inspiring rape or something? I don't think so.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 2/1/12 - 6:00:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 1/31/12 - 3:46:46 PM imagination wrote:
Feminism in my country has evolved, but there are millions of women all over the world who are still fighting for basic rights; the vote, equal pay and conditions, education, reproductive rights, divorce, safety from domestic violence and sexual harassment.
On Tuesday 1/31/12 - 5:33:49 PM Guilty_Spark wrote:
We can't be the world's social worker. Nor should we try.

It's one thing to stick our noses in where they don't belong or aren't wanted, but that doesn't excuse us from being conscientious and trying to have a positive effect where we can.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 2/1/12 - 11:55:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 2/1/12 - 6:00:26 AM IRLIteach wrote:
It's one thing to stick our noses in where they don't belong or aren't wanted, but that doesn't excuse us from being conscientious and trying to have a positive effect where we can.


Which is a fancy way of saying we should politely stick our noses in.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 2/1/12 - 12:03:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 2/1/12 - 6:00:26 AM IRLIteach wrote:
It's one thing to stick our noses in where they don't belong or aren't wanted, but that doesn't excuse us from being conscientious and trying to have a positive effect where we can.
On Wednesday 2/1/12 - 11:55:13 AM Guilty_Spark wrote:
Which is a fancy way of saying we should politely stick our noses in.

If you insist. "Politely" means we'd remove it if unwanted or unnecessary.

Time was, gs, a police officer called to a home by a neighbor who reported the sounds of violence would walk away from a bleeding, crying housewife if she said, under duress and in front of her husband, that everything was okay. That was couched as respecting the sacred privacy of a marriage, not sticking our noses in where they didn't belong.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 2/1/12 - 1:25:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm aware of how things used to be in the west, we've made great strides in providing equality for all people in our countries. We're not finished, but we're getting there.

What other countries do regarding rights for their citizens isn't really our business. If the Arab Spring has taught us anything, it taught us that responsibility for how people are treated in a country lies with the people of that country.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 2/1/12 - 1:28:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
yeah, if you're being oppressed, just stop it. ain't my problem
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 2/1/12 - 1:29:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 2/1/12 - 1:28:07 PM Kungfullama wrote:
yeah, if you're being oppressed, just stop it. ain't my problem


Worked in Tunisia. And Egypt. The Lybians ASKED for help, that's different.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 2/1/12 - 1:33:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
We weren't completely absent from the Arab Spring, gs. We took a reduced role that did indeed allow for grass roots activism that I think is more effective than a foreign military's forcing it.

So there's a significant difference in *how* we were involved, but it wasn't as simple as keeping our noses out of it completely.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 2/1/12 - 1:41:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
We did almost nothing in Egypt and Tunisia apart from the occasional encouraging thumbs up.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 2/1/12 - 3:50:57 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 1/31/12 - 5:14:02 PM imagination wrote:
tbh, eye rolling is the *least* women have to endure when they talk about feminism.
On Wednesday 2/1/12 - 5:51:17 AM IRLIteach wrote:
In response to talking - - *just* talking - - I'd say the apathy represented by eye-rolling *is* the worst direct result. I mean, is talking about feminism inspiring rape or something? I don't think so.


Rape threats and threats of sexual violence are pretty common.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201...

Occasionally they incude personal information- just so you know they mean business. Tiger Beatdown are very candid about it
http://tigerbeatdown.com/2011/10/11...
[url=http://tigerbeatdown.com/2011/11/07/why-are-you-in-such-a-bad-mood-menca
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 2/1/12 - 3:52:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
link fail!

http://tigerbeatdown.com/2011/11/07...

(ps, warning, bad language)
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Wednesday 2/1/12 - 4:00:57 PM EST (GMT-5)
Of course I am.
2 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 2/2/12 - 5:45:34 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 1/31/12 - 5:14:02 PM imagination wrote:
tbh, eye rolling is the *least* women have to endure when they talk about feminism.
On Wednesday 2/1/12 - 5:51:17 AM IRLIteach wrote:
In response to talking - - *just* talking - - I'd say the apathy represented by eye-rolling *is* the worst direct result. I mean, is talking about feminism inspiring rape or something? I don't think so.
On Wednesday 2/1/12 - 3:50:57 PM imagination wrote:
Rape threats and threats of sexual violence are pretty common. [ links ]

That's awful, but not really what I was talking about.

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