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3,535 hits 3.3 (3 votes) Share Favorite | Flag 11 years ago by Brunnen_G

Are you for or against genetically modified foods?
So called GM or GE crops and livestock.


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11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 6:22:30 AM EST (GMT-5)
Ayone who anwsers against should, to avoid hypocracy, sustain themselves on a diet soley consisting of whatever wild fruits and nuts they can forage and whatever wild animals they can hunt.

The simple fact is all the food in your supermarket is genetically modified. All of it.

Animal husbandry has been going on for centuries. We selected which characteristics we wanted in our livestock and bred them into our food animals, changing their DNA.

We did the same with vegetables and fruit. We hybridised and crossbred to get strains that produced a bigger harvest, that tasted better and had a more pleasing appearance.

Modern techniques will enable us to produce crops that thrive in the worlds harshed climates, enabling the entire population of the world to feed itself.
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 6:29:10 AM EST (GMT-5)
Voting "For" is easy,, as the alternative would be world wide famine.
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 6:36:47 AM EST (GMT-5)
Indeed sander. But you forget the hippies.
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 7:00:37 AM EST (GMT-5)
Well, the hippies might last us for a week or two, but after that, there's still be world famine.
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 7:01:11 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 8/17/09 - 6:22:30 AM Brunnen_G wrote:
Ayone who anwsers against should, to avoid hypocracy, sustain themselves on a diet soley consisting of whatever wild fruits and nuts they can forage and whatever wild animals they can hunt. The simple fact is all the food in your supermarket is genetically modified. All of it.

Simplification isn't always a good thing. Especially if the issue is a complex one.
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 8:33:24 AM EST (GMT-5)
What simplification?

Name one vegetable in a supermarket that is the same as you find in the wild. Name one farm animal that is unchanged from it's wild brethern.

What they are doing in labs is the same as what we have been doing for centuries, just more successfully.
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 9:00:16 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 8/17/09 - 8:33:24 AM Brunnen_G wrote:
What simplification?

That:
On Monday 8/17/09 - 8:33:24 AM Brunnen_G wrote:
What they are doing in labs is the same as what we have been doing for centuries, just more successfully.

When we talk about genetically modified food/organisms (GMO) the discussion usually does not get too emotional before we come to those organisms that actually have genes from a different species introduced. I.e corn with Bacillus thuringiensis (BT) toxin genes etc.
This doesn't have anything to do with (semi-)natural croos-breeding.
The problem here is that you mobilize genes. And the opponents of GMO food (at least those who are not just hysterical tree huggers but actually know what their are talking about) point out that there is no clear data on the faith of such mobilised genes n the environment outside of laboratories.
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 9:00:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
The other aspect is the total dependency of (3rd world) farmers on the products of certain global player's products.
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 9:05:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
haha, faith!
*fate
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 9:13:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 8/17/09 - 9:00:38 AM Matthias wrote:
The other aspect is the total dependency of (3rd world) farmers on the products of certain global player's products.

Are you alluding to how farmers that use GM seeds are not allowed to use the seed produced from their crop for the next years harvest, but are instead forced to purchase more seeds from the GM producers?
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 9:45:50 AM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, but not only. Originally big GMO companies even tried to sell sterile seeds to the farmes. After there was too much international opposition against that they simply prohibited the farmers to save seeds for the next year by contract (as you suggested). Note to BrunnenG: seed-saving is an even older practice than cross-breeding
Another asoect of dependency is the fact that you have to buy certain pesticides once you bought the seeds that bear the resistance against them.
Once you've adjusted your whole farming process to the new products/technology it's hard (i.e. expensive) to change back or to change to something else.
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 12:29:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
Classical selection and breeding while *technically* forms of genetic modification are generally NOT what we mean when we talk about GM. As Matthias pointed out GM is the introduction of genes from one organism to another phylogenetically unrelated organism. Or even introducing man-made genes into organisms. Certainly this is not something that has been going on for centuries, although the extent and role of horizontal gene transfer in nature is not fully known or understood at this point.
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 2:55:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
OMG! you are all a bunch of morons! you should all rot! OMG! I can't believe people really think this. GM food is NOT GOOD FOR ANYONE. reasons:
1st. GM food, let's say for example rice, is modified so that it can resist to a herbicide that any other plant can't. That herbicide is bad for us, and we're the ones eating it.
2nd. It will not help world wide famine, because the only use of GM food is that it can dure more, or grow faster, or whatever, and guess what, it gives tons of money to the government while we buy it, so why the hell would those arrogant idiots care more about famine?
3rd. GM food would only make famine and economy a lot worse for poor people and farmers. Let's take he rice again. What will happen to all the asians when the whole world will no longer need they're main source of money? Exactly! They'll be utterly useless to all the importers of rice!
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 3:03:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
4th. We should respect nature. God, or whatever made this planet make fruits and and herbivores and whatever the hell we eat, obviously didn't make things for us to change them! We're doing exactly the opposite of what we are, as inteligent( apparantly) animals we are, supposed to! We're supposed to live with what is in the world, making sure there is more when we're dead, to protect everything here! Instead: "nah, let's kill that jaguar, I fancy having a nice furry jacket!";"OOOH, I could make a bundle if my pears grew three times quicker"; "I don't like the colour of this red pepper, let me make it another colour!".

Do a favour for everything in this planet. Accept.
Accept that corn only grows like this;
Accept that sheep only produce milk "x" amount of times a year;
Accept that we are what we eat.

11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 3:06:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
Rice is daily food for half of the world's population. Genetically modified (GM) rice, on the other hand, is a threat to our agriculture, our biodiversity and a possible risk to our health.

At present, GM rice is not grown commercially anywhere in the world. But Bayer, the German chemical giant, has genetically manipulated rice to withstand higher doses of a toxic pesticide called glufosinate, which is considered to be so dangerous to humans and the environment that it will soon be banned from Europe.

In just a few weeks, the European Union will decide whether or not this GM rice can enter EU countries, appear on supermarket shelves and end up on our dinner plates. If the EU approves the import of Bayer GM rice, farmers in the US and elsewhere may soon start planting it.

Guess WHAT?????
I just found out why you americans are FOR GM food. You get everything! Stupid racists!
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 3:07:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
If you want to be taken seriously while growing up you might consider your approach toward others.
You do have one point though
On Monday 8/17/09 - 2:55:25 PM mialili wrote:
... or whatever ...
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 3:08:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
You go Matthias!
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 4:50:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm not quite sure what I think of GMOs.

I'll just remain a fence-sitter for now
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 4:52:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't care how my food is prepared so long as it is safe, plentiful and served witha decent claret.
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 5:29:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
well then Davew, you are against GMO's! ^^
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 5:31:57 PM EST (GMT-5)
If you want to be taken seriously while growing up you might consider your approach toward others. You do have one point though
On Monday 8/17/09 - 2:55:25 PM mialili wrote:
... or whatever ...
On Monday 8/17/09 - 3:07:01 PM Matthias wrote:

I'm sorry about my aproach, It just hurt me sooooooo bad when I saw what everyone was saying. It made me scared actually. I do not want to be forced to eat that stupid food! You want to stop famine wih dangerous food, stupid governors, you do that, but then you'll have to get more cures for disease, so basically you'll be loosing all the money! MUAHAHAHAH!

I will fight against that, even if it means making a little farm for myself in my house! I want healthy kids. Educated kids. Smart kids. RATIONAL kids.
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 5:35:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 8/17/09 - 5:29:23 PM mialili wrote:
well then Davew, you are against GMO's! ^^

Piss off.

GM food is in our food chain, has been for years and we have the greatest life-expectancy ever.

Keep serving me food.
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 5:40:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
What? It's in our food?
Where? I don't see it! All I see is products and herbicides, not fruits that have "super genes" in them! Anyways, I'm starting to eat bio food, and damn, it tastes so much better!
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 5:40:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
Omg. Eres espanol?
11 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 8/17/09 - 5:42:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 8/17/09 - 9:00:38 AM Matthias wrote:
The other aspect is the total dependency of (3rd world) farmers on the products of certain global player's products.


That's a problem with the business model, not the product in general.

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