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Is gun ownership a human right?
I heard of a rally recently centered on the idea that “gun rights are human rights” and was thoroughly confused by the concept (but also the grammar, to be frank).


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4 months ago - Tuesday 7/10/18 - 7:03:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's definitely not a 'human' right. However humans have the right to feel secure and protected so in that sense I could see how guns could be viewed as such. Right to bare arms is a fundamental 'personal' right but trying to claim it as a human right is just plain silly
4 months ago - Tuesday 7/10/18 - 7:52:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
what's the difference between a personal and human right?
the right to feel secure can also be used against gun ownership pretty easily
4 months ago - Wednesday 7/11/18 - 9:45:24 AM EST (GMT-5)
gun ownership is probably not a human right in the overall sense of things. but everyone has the right to life, and people should be able to defend their right to life. gun ownership is one of the ways of securing that right.
4 months ago - Wednesday 7/11/18 - 9:50:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
lmao of course it's a human right to have the weird killing people machine
4 months ago - Wednesday 7/11/18 - 11:55:40 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 7/11/18 - 9:45:24 AM Inquizitor2 wrote:
gun ownership is one of the ways of securing that right.


Gun ownership is also one of the ways to deny that right to others...
4 months ago - Friday 7/13/18 - 2:14:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
No. That is silly
4 months ago - Sunday 7/15/18 - 11:49:01 AM EST (GMT-5)
Only if it's the same blanket right applied to owning anything, ie. "I have this thing and you can't take it away from me." I can't see any reason for guns to more important to be allowed to own than anything else.

Although, I do agree that I'm very, very scared of being murdered and if everyone had a gun, I'd be less scared because I could just kill anyone I wanted.
3 months ago - Tuesday 7/17/18 - 12:41:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 7/15/18 - 11:49:01 AM Mat wrote:
Only if it's the same blanket right applied to owning anything, ie. "I have this thing and you can't take it away from me." I can't see any reason for guns to more important to be allowed to own than anything else. Although, I do agree that I'm very, very scared of being murdered and if everyone had a gun, I'd be less scared because I could just kill anyone I wanted.


my relatives in france told me i should be thankful we have the right to own guns. they were caught up in the terrorist attack that happened in paris a few years ago and the thought of any of my relatives being hurt or killed really shook me.
3 months ago - Tuesday 7/17/18 - 2:57:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
Every time I think about it, I imagine how many lives could have been saved had more weapons been involved. Everyone knows adding guns to a situation decreases the death toll. It's why America has so few gun deaths.
3 months ago - Tuesday 7/17/18 - 3:05:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 7/17/18 - 2:57:44 PM Mat wrote:
Every time I think about it, I imagine how many lives could have been saved had more weapons been involved. Everyone knows adding guns to a situation decreases the death toll. It's why America has so few gun deaths.


i don't see it that way, i see it as people defending themselves. i'm not for adding or subtracting guns, i just want people to be able to defend themselves from bad people.
3 months ago - Wednesday 7/18/18 - 8:28:18 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 7/17/18 - 2:57:44 PM Mat wrote:
Every time I think about it, I imagine how many lives could have been saved had more weapons been involved. Everyone knows adding guns to a situation decreases the death toll. It's why America has so few gun deaths.
On Tuesday 7/17/18 - 3:05:32 PM Inquizitor2 wrote:
i don't see it that way, i see it as people defending themselves. i'm not for adding or subtracting guns, i just want people to be able to defend themselves from bad people.


Which is why no one is suggesting we ban karate.
3 months ago - Saturday 7/21/18 - 9:57:02 AM EST (GMT-5)
If guns are legal and someone in a crowded place starts shooting, how do you know if they're a terrorist or if they're defending themselves from a terrorist?
3 months ago - Tuesday 7/24/18 - 3:40:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 7/21/18 - 9:57:02 AM Mat wrote:
If guns are legal and someone in a crowded place starts shooting, how do you know if they're a terrorist or if they're defending themselves from a terrorist?


In the US it seems we do it based on skin color.
3 months ago - Sunday 7/29/18 - 6:57:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
For me, gun ownership definitely falls under the "privilege" category, not the human right category.

And I'm not totally convinced it's a privilege that ordinary citizens are entitled to.

Unfortunately, the successful use of guns for self-defense is statistically rare. The use of guns in homicides, suicides, and accidental deaths is far more common.

So is it a privilege we're entitled to? Given the numbers, I'm not really convinced that it is.
3 months ago - Sunday 7/29/18 - 10:10:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 7/29/18 - 6:57:50 PM BlackBird77 wrote:
For me, gun ownership definitely falls under the "privilege" category, not the human right category. And I'm not totally convinced it's a privilege that ordinary citizens are entitled to. Unfortunately, the successful use of guns for self-defense is statistically rare. The use of guns in homicides, suicides, and accidental deaths is far more common. So is it a privilege we're entitled to? Given the numbers, I'm not really convinced that it is.


it's going to be a lot harder to change the constitution than to at least train people in the proper use of a gun and screen violent criminals or mentally ill people. those i can agree with, but i can see where people would have their concerns.

criminals will obviously break the law. but law-abiding citizens should have ways and means to fight back.
3 months ago - Monday 7/30/18 - 3:30:48 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 7/29/18 - 6:57:50 PM BlackBird77 wrote:
For me, gun ownership definitely falls under the "privilege" category, not the human right category. And I'm not totally convinced it's a privilege that ordinary citizens are entitled to. Unfortunately, the successful use of guns for self-defense is statistically rare. The use of guns in homicides, suicides, and accidental deaths is far more common. So is it a privilege we're entitled to? Given the numbers, I'm not really convinced that it is.

The Constitution would disagree. But that doesn't mean that the right to bear arms should be unrestricted.
3 months ago - Monday 7/30/18 - 1:20:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 7/29/18 - 10:10:37 PM Inquizitor2 wrote:
it's going to be a lot harder to change the constitution than to at least train people in the proper use of a gun and screen violent criminals or mentally ill people.

It sounds like the problem is the law that requires citizens to guard themselves against it and is more difficult to change than employing the training for all of those people. The incredibly monumental task of educating everybody in the country, which is what would be necessary for adequate precautions. Gun safety needs to be a foundation of education.

I guess I just realised that that's what it is for me: the thing I would feel the need to protect myself from is other people's right to bear arms. Right now in England, I'm not scared of being shot at all, but in a country where guns are a right, I'd need to plan around that.
3 months ago - Monday 7/30/18 - 9:12:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
most gun owners don't commit crimes. but every society has bad people. i wouldn't mind if guns are licensed like we license people to drive, there's going to be higher standards. but some politicians (especially in my state) are taking it upon themselves to pretty much do everything but ban guns.

i would rather feel empowered in a situation where i'm supposed to be helpless than be an unfortunate victim of somebody's bad intentions. those people with bad intentions may watch their actions more carefully. it's something i wish we didn't have to do but is unfortunately necessary.
3 months ago - Monday 7/30/18 - 9:20:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 7/30/18 - 9:12:54 PM Inquizitor2 wrote:
but some politicians (especially in my state) are taking it upon themselves to pretty much do everything but ban guns.

Which politicians, and what specifically have they done?
3 months ago - Tuesday 7/31/18 - 3:04:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
Human right? Not at all.
3 months ago - Tuesday 7/31/18 - 7:08:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 7/30/18 - 9:12:54 PM Inquizitor2 wrote:
but some politicians (especially in my state) are taking it upon themselves to pretty much do everything but ban guns.
On Monday 7/30/18 - 9:20:43 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Which politicians, and what specifically have they done?


gavin newsom, he was one of the politicians in this state who spearheaded the ban of online sales of ammunition. instilling background checks is as far as i'll go with agreeing with dems on guns, but banning online sales outright doesn't seem to solve the issue.
3 months ago - Tuesday 7/31/18 - 7:51:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
I would hardly call that "doing everything but banning guns."
And what are you expecting, that one single measure will solve every problem we have with gun violence in this country? Of course banning online sales doesn't "solve the issue."
3 months ago - Tuesday 7/31/18 - 7:54:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
Also, what reason do you have for being against a gun registry?
3 months ago - Tuesday 7/31/18 - 8:08:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 7/31/18 - 7:54:08 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Also, what reason do you have for being against a gun registry?


i'm actually not against a gun registry. i said i wouldn't mind if we licensed guns like we licensed cars, but i could see where some people had their concerns.

all in all, we should be better to one another. in a perfect world nobody would own guns. but this isn't a perfect world, and criminals exist. it's up to all of us as a society to put our foot down.
3 months ago - Tuesday 7/31/18 - 8:33:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
So then background checks isn't actually the extent of your agreement with gun control advocates.

And I agree we should put our collective foot down. Our firearm murder rates, suicide rates, and rates of accidental firearm death among children are crazy and we should be trying to solve those problems.

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