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10,150 hits 3.0 (1 vote) Share Favorite | Flag 3 years ago by CowDung

Should athletes be required to stand for the National Anthem while playing for their national team?


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3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 10/6/16 - 11:50:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
Oh, you explained what he really meant by it, did you?

I suppose you have to work a little harder intellectually to see how holding your country to the ideals they profess to stand for represents a different form of pride.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 10/6/16 - 2:36:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
The only reason why somebody in the NFL should be forced to stand is because of money reasons. It's not good for business.

Kaepernick has every right to not stand. I will defend his right not to stand, even though the reason why he isn't standing is total bullsh*t and race baiting. If he wants to continue to divide the country, he has every right.

I just hope he realizes he is hurting the small chance we have for police reform.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 10/6/16 - 4:56:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 10/6/16 - 2:36:22 PM EhFahQ wrote:
I just hope he realizes he is hurting the small chance we have for police reform.

How so?
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 10/6/16 - 6:46:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
A divided people will never stand to fight for the same issue.

Bad policing is not a race issue. No matter how many times people say "disproportional".
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 10/6/16 - 7:04:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
Bad policing exists separate of racism, but it overlaps with it a lot, too.

The combination seems pretty natural to me; separating them seems a bit like "#alllivesmatter" and "#notallmen."

I don't think we're so divided over *that* specifically.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 9:48:22 AM EST (GMT-5)
" separating them seems a bit like "#alllivesmatter""

*facepalm*

Why does all lives matter exist?
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 10:19:24 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 10/7/16 - 9:48:22 AM EhFahQ wrote:
" separating them seems a bit like "#alllivesmatter"" *facepalm* Why does all lives matter exist?

Not because all lives *do* matter and anyone felt compelled to make that point w/o any context. It's a reaction to a misunderstanding of "Black lives matter." It's technically true, of course, but the creation of it as a statement was to counter BLM, which they misunderstood.

Here's a more ridiculous, but in that, more easily understood example: Insisting that there be designated *non*-handicapped parking would be missing the point, right?
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 11:10:17 AM EST (GMT-5)
It's a reaction to the bullsh*t that is black lives matter. It's the divide that was created by blm.

One of BLM main goals is to divide themselves from every other race.






3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 11:18:56 AM EST (GMT-5)
I completely, utterly disagree. To claim BLM created the divide is to pretend everything was just fine before. That sounds like the GOP's blaming President Obama for *creating* racial tension.

As a saying, "all lives matter" is a reaction to a misunderstanding of what the saying "Black lives matter" means. It treats "BLM" as if it means "*only* Black lives matter," or "Black lives matter *more*." It doesn't mean either of those things, and it doesn't mean other lives don't matter. This has been explained repeatedly, by BLM and many others.

I don't mean to come across as impatient, but I'm a bit bewildered that that is something still under debate. If you want to talk about deeper implications, I'm game, but I feel like this surface level accord is kind of necessary before delving any deeper.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 11:28:39 AM EST (GMT-5)
"I completely, utterly disagree."

I don't care.

"As a saying, "all lives matter" is a reaction to a misunderstanding of what the saying "Black lives matter"

Nope. It's a reaction to the blatant lies that BLM puts forth. And their horrible reactions to justified shootings don't help. Their anti-Semitism doesn't help. Their racism doesn't help. And sitting during the national anthem doesn't help. Their looting and buring of cities doesn't help. Blocking traffic doesn't help. They are the most divisive group I have ever seen.

"It doesn't mean either of those things,"

You are trying to argue a point I never made.

" If you want to talk about deeper implications"

Id rather punch myself in the face.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 11:51:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
I know as far as this conversation goes you can take it or leave it, but I appreciate your overall civility so far. I hope you're not going to let disagreement be a reason to sabotage that.

"It's a reaction to the blatant lies that BLM puts forth." That contradicts every explanation of how "ALM" started that I've ever heard. If you have criticism of the BLM movement, I think that's a separate issue from how ALM came about.

I don't know of their anti-Semitism. I don't think they are racist. They do not support rioting or looting, which indeed, does not help, but has a context that makes it understandable (not excusable). I think worrying about kneeling for the national anthem instead of addressing the concerns that inspire that act is what truly doesn't help. Drawing attention to a divide that already exists does not make anyone responsible for that divide.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 12:00:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
" That contradicts every explanation of how "ALM" started that I've ever heard."

Probably because you have only heard the explanation of how "ALM" started from BLM.

"They do not support rioting or looting"

Hahahahahaha. OK. I guess all those tweets from the leaders of BLM don't count. I guess the countless videos of BLM members rioting don't count.

Do yourself a favor and read their list of demands. Read them and still support this hate group.

http://time.com/4433679/black-lives...
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 12:35:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
What would you suggest I read for the explanation you prefer regarding the origins of "all lives matter"?

The Time article you linked quotes some language that has a flair for the dramatic, but I don't see anything that leaps out as racist. The link *within* that article to the actual list of demands is to a group called "The Movement for Black Lives," not BLM. BLM is listed as a member organization. I suppose Time used their name b/c they're the best known group. The Movement for Black Lives page also lists at least 3 Jewish groups as supporters. There are also supporters representing Whites, Asians, Palestinians, immigrants, LGBTQ, Latinos, Deadheads, vegans, and freakin' Harry Potter.

The SPLC, whom I consider the leading authority on hate groups, says BLM is not a hate group.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 1:05:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
I honestly don't care.

Some Welsh and Scots don't stand for God Save the Queen, because they hold the opinion that their countries have been subjugated by the English monarchy and they don't wish God or anyone else to save her, I suppose.

That's a fair opinion, and I respect their right to express it by not standing or singing or hand over hearting or whatever.

But then, I think excessive patriotism is silly, so there you go.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 1:28:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
"What would you suggest I read for the explanation you prefer regarding the origins of "all lives matter"?"

Sure. BLM claims that bad policing is a race problem. Rational people know that it isn't and said All Lives Matter. We are talking about dead people killed by poor policing.

"The SPLC"

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ha.
The morons that made a cartoon frog a hate symbol. Of course you would consider them an authority.

" that article to the actual list of demands is to a group called "The Movement for Black Lives," not BLM."

And were done. I refuse to talk to a liar.

F*ck off and go support your hate group.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 1:42:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
Skimming through the page for The Movement for Black Lives, I see things on their list of demands that raise an eyebrow, but by and large, it's reasonable stuff that emphasizes correction of injustices against Black people. It reminds me of the starting point to a lot of negotiations, where you ask for more than you expect to get, then work toward the middle. I realize how some of it could be alarming. I don't think that's the big picture.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 1:46:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
Reasonable requests like disbanding the police force, free college, reparations, segregation and being Anti-Israel.



3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 1:49:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
Oh yeah, and letting all black people out of jail because they are only in there because racism.

BLM is a f&cking joke.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 1:59:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 10/7/16 - 1:28:39 PM EhFahQ wrote:
The morons that made a cartoon frog a hate symbol. Of course you would consider them an authority.

Oh, yeah, that one is pretty stupid. They have a 50 year history before that, though. Who would you recommend as an authority on hate groups?

On Friday 10/7/16 - 1:28:39 PM EhFahQ wrote:
And were done. I refuse to talk to a liar.

These are the opening lines of the Time article you linked, including their hyperlink:
"A coalition of several dozen organizations affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement outlined their demands for the first time on Monday. More than 60 groups that are part of the Black Lives Matter Movement teamed up to release the agenda..."
If you follow their link, BLM is listed as a member organization.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 2:03:51 PM EST (GMT-5)

3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 2:06:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yep. That one is silly, like I said.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 2:19:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 10/7/16 - 2:03:51 PM EhFahQ wrote:
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I'm offended by the excessive whiteness of the Mexican couple...
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 2:20:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm offended that you think that's the Mexican border and not the Canadian border.
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Friday 10/7/16 - 2:22:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
That would explain the excessive whiteness...
3 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 10/10/16 - 12:43:47 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 10/3/16 - 3:11:05 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Sometimes being proud and patriotic means pointing out the areas where your country can (and should) do better.

"My country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right. When wrong, to be set right." US Senator Carl Schurz.

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