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5,081 hits 3.0 (1 vote) Share Favorite | Flag 1 year ago by CowDung

Should athletes be required to stand for the National Anthem while playing for their national team?


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1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 7:22:32 AM EST (GMT-5)
Of course they should.

An aboriginal activist here is trying to get aboriginal football players to walk off during the national anthem before the AFL Grand Final...he's not having a lot of luck convincing them though.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 8:34:17 AM EST (GMT-5)
In public schools this might be illegal. In professional leagues, I suppose it could be part of the contract.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 8:36:12 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/30/16 - 8:34:17 AM catchall wrote:
In public schools this might be illegal. In professional leagues, I suppose it could be part of the contract.


This question isn't about professional sports teams, it's about the National team- - representing the country (like team USA).
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 9:36:19 AM EST (GMT-5)
No. God save the queen stands for so much BS.


It is possible for those who love their "country" to feel an aversion to the anthem and any associated meanings it might have.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 9:50:42 AM EST (GMT-5)
Oh, I thought it was applying to national league teams. In general I'm for free speech and consider standing (or not standing) for the national anthem a first-amendment right to freedom of speech.

When I stop and think about the actual words of our national anthem, I can't say I really support them. They're overly militaristic and tend to glorify war. I'd hope we as a nation stand for more than just that.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 10:12:37 AM EST (GMT-5)
Considering that it was war that brought our country into existence, I don't think that it is inappropriate for it to be part of the national anthem.

The premise of the question is to explore the potential conflict between being proud enough of one's country to represent it on the sports field, but not being proud enough of one's country to stand for the Anthem.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 11:15:09 AM EST (GMT-5)
As a rule, no, but I also wouldn't go as far as to say that it is never appropriate for a manager to deselect someone for reasons related to the individual's (or the team's) public image. Athletes are generally selected to compete at a national level for their ability, not their opinions, but there are other interests involved.

I don't think athletes should personally feel obliged to, though. If there is an issue that they feel strongly about and want to use their position to comment on it, then it's up to them as far as I'm concerned. I don't think it says anything about one's national pride or whatever. There's more to loving your country, and representing its ideals, than silent devotion.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 11:50:07 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/30/16 - 10:12:37 AM CowDung wrote:
Considering that it was war that brought our country into existence, I don't think that it is inappropriate for it to be part of the national anthem.


Don't you mean it was genocide that brought your country into existence?

On Friday 9/30/16 - 10:12:37 AM CowDung wrote:
The premise of the question is to explore the potential conflict between being proud enough of one's country to represent it on the sports field, but not being proud enough of one's country to stand for the Anthem.


Is the Anthem always representative of the Nation-state? Does rejecting an anthem mean rejecting the country?
Are Athletes really representing their country or are they just following their career path and competing at the highest form of competition, one that is attached to nationality for historical reasons?
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 11:51:45 AM EST (GMT-5)
Regarding my last question I think the recent "world cup" of Ice hockey is really interesting. You had team Canada and Team Sweden competing against team rest of Europe and team under 23....
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 11:53:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/30/16 - 10:12:37 AM CowDung wrote:
Considering that it was war that brought our country into existence, I don't think that it is inappropriate for it to be part of the national anthem.


Part? it's the entire anthem.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 11:59:48 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/30/16 - 11:50:07 AM 3 mehs wrote:

Don't you mean it was genocide that brought your country into existence?


Genocide was what won independence from the British for the US?
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 12:06:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
Columbus was a G' am i rite or wut?
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 12:07:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/30/16 - 11:50:07 AM 3 mehs wrote:
Is the Anthem always representative of the Nation-state? Does rejecting an anthem mean rejecting the country?


The Anthem doesn't really represent other nations, does it?

My understanding of the reasons given for not standing for the Anthem is that the US doesn't seem to be the kind of country they feel should be respected because of the way that some citizens are being treated. From that, I see a rejection of the anthem to be a statement against the country the Anthem represents.

1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 12:09:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/30/16 - 12:06:30 PM 3 mehs wrote:
Columbus was a G' am i rite or wut?


Columbus was dead long before the existence of the US...
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 12:12:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
But does the Anthem represent the nation it is the anthem of? Do you have to love the anthem and the country. Or can you love one and not the other?

Look at my first post, I am thinking from a British perspective, Everything depends on context blud.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 12:14:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/30/16 - 12:06:30 PM 3 mehs wrote:
Columbus was a G' am i rite or wut?
On Friday 9/30/16 - 12:09:35 PM CowDung wrote:
Columbus was dead long before the existence of the US...


Where does a nation-state come from? Are you rooted to the people the land or the Constitution? Or are you actually Irish or Nigerian or Greek or Italian?
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 12:15:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
I believe that the Anthem does represent the nation, just as the National team represents the nation.

Not sure is 'love' is really the right term. I think 'respect' is more appropriate, and disrespecting the Anthem is a form of disrespecting the country it is associated with.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 12:19:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/30/16 - 12:06:30 PM 3 mehs wrote:
Columbus was a G' am i rite or wut?
On Friday 9/30/16 - 12:09:35 PM CowDung wrote:
Columbus was dead long before the existence of the US...
On Friday 9/30/16 - 12:14:27 PM 3 mehs wrote:
Where does a nation-state come from? Are you rooted to the people the land or the Constitution? Or are you actually Irish or Nigerian or Greek or Italian?


I would argue that a nation-state comes from the formation of a government and/or Constitution.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 12:19:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
As a Republican (In the true definition of the word) I would never stand for or sing the Uk anthem. Does that mean I am disrespecting my country? Or am I disrespecting the old c*nt who sits on the throne? Or is that old c*nt my country? Because she sure as hell isn't.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 12:22:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
I would take a refusal to stand for the Anthem as a form of disrespect toward one's country- - much like burning the flag.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 12:24:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/30/16 - 12:14:27 PM 3 mehs wrote:
Where does a nation-state come from? Are you rooted to the people the land or the Constitution? Or are you actually Irish or Nigerian or Greek or Italian?
On Friday 9/30/16 - 12:19:12 PM CowDung wrote:
I would argue that a nation-state comes from the formation of a government and/or Constitution.


So are the Scottish Scottish or Ukers? How does one belong to a nationstate? Is everyone who came after the Declaration of Indy not American? I know a kid who was born in China to a British dad and a Pinay mom, does that kid not have a nation-state to belong to? Lets talk about Rwandans, Israelis, Hitlers Germany and Native Americans. Or lets not as I have to finish my reading and stop distracting myself. BUT. Roots, social contracts, belonging and nations are messy.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 12:27:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/30/16 - 12:22:33 PM CowDung wrote:
I would take a refusal to stand for the Anthem as a form of disrespect toward one's country- - much like burning the flag.

Just because something is a symbol of a country doesn't mean it represents/is synonymous with the country. The Merican footballers may be "disrespecting their country" on purpose, however there are many reasons to refuse to stand for an anthem. Is the government the country? If so I feel pretty sorry for all those patriotic dissident North Koreans.
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 12:33:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
How exactly can a symbol of a country not represent that country? Isn't that what a 'symbol' is by definition?
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 12:43:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/30/16 - 12:33:16 PM CowDung wrote:
How exactly can a symbol of a country not represent that country? Isn't that what a 'symbol' is by definition?


Last answer: I'm a fan of Southampton FC. I think their kit this year looks sh*t. Does that mean I hate Southampton FC?
1 yr ago, 1 mos ago - Friday 9/30/16 - 2:11:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 9/30/16 - 12:33:16 PM CowDung wrote:
How exactly can a symbol of a country not represent that country? Isn't that what a 'symbol' is by definition?
On Friday 9/30/16 - 12:43:32 PM 3 mehs wrote:
Last answer: I'm a fan of Southampton FC. I think their kit this year looks sh*t. Does that mean I hate Southampton FC?


No. I don't think that making a judgement on the appearance of a symbol is the same thing. Besides, I believe that their symbol would be the 'coat of arms' looking thing rather than their kit itself (which seems to change fairly often).

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