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4,341 hits 4.0 (2 votes) Share Favorite | Flag 5 years ago by glennh70

Do you believe religion was 'invented'?
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5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 8/11/12 - 3:52:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yeah.. by God.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 8/11/12 - 4:11:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
No not at all. It most probably came about from superstition. So ritual creating a concept of 'sacred' which then morphed into monotheistic religions. It's a normal progression of thinking that happened over many periods, I don't think it was all a big conspiracy of people sat in a room going hmm let's write a religious book. You could probably draw up a religious dialectic. Of course no doubt anthropologists have written long books about this with decent theories using actual evidence, however I'm too lazy to go searching.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 8/11/12 - 4:22:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's invented in the sense that it is human's attempt to understand the world around them, and to try to influence that world (ritual, prayer, etc).

Possibly also a bit of leftover from childhood - when (hopefully) there was someone who loved you, took care of you, was interested in what you wanted. All powerful parents who love you. And then we're adults, and we have to take care of ourselves. Nice to think there might still be someone who cares and could help.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 8/11/12 - 8:03:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
Not consciously.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Saturday 8/11/12 - 9:19:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
I agree with Wanderer
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Sunday 8/12/12 - 2:39:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
It depends on what you mean by "invented". If you're talking crazy conspiracy to keep people doing X,Y,Z... No, that's crazy.

If you mean it's something that's not naturally occurring with out intent that is done? Well, yeah, obviously.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 3:01:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
Invented by human? Depends if you mean consciously or unconsciously.

I am a theist. By that I mean that I believe in an "absolute" (deity in this case) like the philosophers call it, and I have ended up in that conclusion through philosophical pondering. How, I won't tell it here, because I don't believe that YouThink is the right place for it. Call me crazy or not, but I will only tell that I'm absolutely sure about it.

However, God or an absolute is too big of a term for only one religion. So what I believe is that each religion could contain a piece of truth, along with of human errors and opinions. Thousands of years have passed, surely there is more to the mystery than just what it written in the Holy Books as we call them today. I believe God has showed His face in different ways to different people.

Even scientists admit that they can't explain everything that is going on.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 3:26:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
seems a shame that you are more sure than many philosophers but can't explain it...little hint?
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 3:55:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 8/14/12 - 3:01:58 PM Elainiwen wrote:
Even scientists admit that they can't explain everything that is going on.

So... God of the gaps?

5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 4:57:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 8/14/12 - 3:01:58 PM Elainiwen wrote:
Even scientists admit that they can't explain everything that is going on.
On Tuesday 8/14/12 - 3:55:04 PM DaveW wrote:
So... God of the gaps?


Oh but Dave don't you know, every single fossil that is unearthed CREATES ANOTHER GAP IN THE 'CHAIN'

STUPID EVOLUTION.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 5:49:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
For those of you who think you are smarter because you don't believe in a creator, remember this...

There is just as much evidence that a creator exists as their is that it doesn't exist. It takes just as much faith to believe in a creator as it does to not believe in one.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 5:54:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, there's not.
No, it doesn't.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:03:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
There is no concrete evidence that there is no creator, and having a belief with no evidence is called faith. Therefore, it requires faith to not believe.

And if you can find me evidence that there isn't a creator, get off youthink and go share it with the world and earn your nobel prize.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:08:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 8/14/12 - 5:49:02 PM bluedaisy11 wrote:
There is just as much evidence that a creator exists as their is that it doesn't exist. It takes just as much faith to believe in a creator as it does to not believe in one.


5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:10:57 PM EST (GMT-5)
I love how neither of you can give me an argument except for a picture of a face palm and saying "no, it doesn't.' Ironic, I would think people who hold your beliefs would be capable of giving logical arguments.

You have one more chance to prove you are not an idiot. Tell me why you disagree with me.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:15:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
"To make the absolute statement “God does not exist” is to make a claim of knowing absolutely everything there is to know about everything and of having been everywhere in the universe and having witnessed everything there is to be seen.

Atheists cannot prove that God does not, for example, live in the center of the sun, or beneath the clouds of Jupiter, or in some distant nebula. Since those places are beyond our capacity to observe, it cannot be proven that God does not exist. It takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be a theist."
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:19:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
You can't prove a negative. I can't prove to you that there's not a pink elephant floating in space. It's impossible to prove that something doesn't exist.

So what we do is go on available evidence and there isn't a scrap of evidence, not a smidgen, that points in any way towards a creator God or a pink elephant floating in space.

So, because there's no evidence and because I don't have enough faith to believe without proof, I don't believe in a creator.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:20:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
""To make the absolute statement “God does not exist” is to make a claim of knowing absolutely everything there is to know about everything and of having been everywhere in the universe and having witnessed everything there is to be seen. "

Your first problem = the same is true of the statement "God does exist".
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:21:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
"Since those places are beyond our capacity to observe, it cannot be proven that God does not exist. "

Your second problem = The same is true of the statement "God does exist".
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:22:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
You can prove a negative the same way you prove a positive. In the case with the floating elephant, travel every inch of space to see if there is one or there isn't one. Either way, to believe or not believe in the floating elephant, you need the same amount of faith.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:23:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:20:28 PM Ongooshk wrote:
. " Your first problem = the same is true of the statement "God does exist".


Exactly- and that's why the belief becomes faith.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:23:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:19:05 PM Ongooshk wrote:
A very good post.


Seriously this is pretty much a standard Atheist argument, I get the feeling you (bd) have been here for a long time arguing about the existence of deities. If this simple argument hasn't been absorbed (whether you agree with its argument or not) its clear you have absolutely no intention of understanding an atheist position.

I would also like to point out that the existence of some 'deity' does not automatically equate to the Christian god I'm assuming you believe in.
One god further.
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:25:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
Anyways my point is, I believe and you believe. Neither of us know. To say that one side is wrong is just ignorant. (Which I know you didn't say).
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:35:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
Of course, there's a possibilty that one or several gods exist. But we don't really need that hypothesis, do we? lex parsimoniae...
5 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Tuesday 8/14/12 - 6:39:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't think the term faith can be applied to 'not believing in something', regardless of the reasons that thing is not believed in.

Do you have faith in the non-existence of invisible toaster strudels with teeth? I see what you're getting at, though. But you see, the word 'atheist' is not active. It represents the absence of something, people who really don't believe in a god aren't going around actively not believing in it, unless they're communicating with people who do. It's usually irrelevant to them.

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