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11,192 hits 4.0 (3 votes) Share Favorite | Flag 8 years ago by imagination

If an Occupy Protest was organised in your area, would you attend?


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8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Sunday 10/9/11 - 2:59:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
There was and I did!
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Sunday 10/9/11 - 3:08:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
There will be and I plan on being there. Too bad it's such a small town. I'm betting we'll get maybe 20 or so people.
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Sunday 10/9/11 - 3:11:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
I wouldn't go to a protest unless I knew what was being protested. Do I think there needs to be a dramatic change in government and economic policy to bring down the growing disparity of wealth in this country? Yes. Do I think the right change will come about by simply calling for some arbitrary change with no clear demands? No.

If people want to protest, lets start with protesting free trade agreements and impose tighter trade sanctions with China and the developing world. It's no secret of economics that when you allow free trade between a country with a high wage rate and a country with a low wage rate that the wage rates will tend to move towards eachother.
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Sunday 10/9/11 - 3:15:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
I like what Naomi Klein said on this. I was trying to find the video, but no luck. Basically she said the movement is still gaining momentum, held together by some basic concerns and grievances, and that it doesn't really make sense to start making demands, without knowing how big/powerful they can be.
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Sunday 10/9/11 - 7:07:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
Probably no I wouldn't.
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Sunday 10/9/11 - 7:45:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
This one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOX3...

She said "we need to get off fossil fuels by the end of the decade", and "move away from a growth-based economy." Frankly, neither of those are realistic expectations. But at the very least, I think the movement needs to have some idea of how that change might come about. Saying that they shouldn't make demands until they know how big the movement is going to be is a total cop-out IMO.

When the leaders of the movement finally do come up with some clear demands, how will they even know if the group at large will still be in support of their approach to the problem?
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Sunday 10/9/11 - 8:20:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
Probably the way they've done everything along the way. Through general assemblies and democratic votes.

And yeah, that's the speech. She's right about both, imo. Don't let the status quo taint your ideas of what is realistic.
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Sunday 10/9/11 - 10:52:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
They seem to have a new one close by, if we don't get lazy we'll go to the local produce store and buy some fruit and veggies and bring it by and thank them for trying to start something good.
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Sunday 10/9/11 - 10:52:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
already was, already have
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Sunday 10/9/11 - 11:03:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
Will they be handing out free bagels?
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Monday 10/10/11 - 4:55:15 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 10/9/11 - 7:45:19 PM Raisinman wrote:
This one? [link] She said "we need to get off fossil fuels by the end of the decade", and "move away from a growth-based economy." Frankly, neither of those are realistic expectations.


Maybe, but they sound like good goals to me.
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Monday 10/10/11 - 5:10:37 AM EST (GMT-5)
At this point, no. I was considering going up to the one up here in DC, but with my career path this is something I'm unfortunately going to have to miss out on.

The way the police have been acting towards the protesters as well as the fact that some of the protesters have been a tad rambunctious here makes me just say "I'm going to sit this one out, because I don't want to get arrested because I'm caught in the middle of something stupid for a moment and then get suspended for a month without pay while they investigate."
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Monday 10/10/11 - 11:11:42 AM EST (GMT-5)
There is one in Baltimore but it's really small (I think a lot of folks from here are going down to DC for the much bigger protest, since it's so close).
If anything of any magnitude develops, I might go. There's big talk about 10/15 being a major protest day.

I wouldn't go down to DC though. Regular cops in other cities are probably being as nice as possible, but DC cops seem to run on "high alert" all the time. I'm guessing it's the city where you're most likely to get maced.
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Monday 10/10/11 - 11:40:20 AM EST (GMT-5)
I think now the occupy protests have now garnered a lot of international attention, even roz in DC will think twice before they mace someone who doesn't deserve it. All people have to do is engage in non violent protest, shun those who are encouraging violence and ensure they always have a camera handy.

Also, tbh, violent protest is utterly utterly counterproductive. It's just used as a tool by the authorities to delegitimise the otherwise entirely legitimate grievances of the protesters, and turn wider public opinion against them. It's a tactic of epic fail.
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Monday 10/10/11 - 2:52:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
Oh I agree, imagination. We are nowhere near the need for violent uprising stuff.
But still, the capital police are used to being extra-vigilant about things just due to how many govt folks live there/work really near the protest area, etc., and because it's definitely a target for the special crazies who like to do poo like shoot up the Holocaust museum.

I guess the difference is that Baltimore is used to "normal" crime (drug-related shootings, etc.), and DC has that too...but they also have specifically politically motivated crime, moreso than other places.
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Monday 10/10/11 - 2:54:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 10/9/11 - 3:11:26 PM Raisinman wrote:
I wouldn't go to a protest unless I knew what was being protested. Do I think there needs to be a dramatic change in government and economic policy to bring down the growing disparity of wealth in this country? Yes. Do I think the right change will come about by simply calling for some arbitrary change with no clear demands? No. If people want to protest, lets start with protesting free trade agreements and impose tighter trade sanctions with China and the developing world. It's no secret of economics that when you allow free trade between a country with a high wage rate and a country with a low wage rate that the wage rates will tend to move towards eachother.



So you would protest to keep the third world starving?
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Monday 10/10/11 - 11:48:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
Just returned, ours had been booted out last night and would be again later tonight. Pretty random, lots of variety of people. We asked if we could get the ones camping anything, it was raining and they requested ponchos and tarps, so we brought back some ponchos and tarps and thanked them.
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 10/11/11 - 12:06:36 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 10/10/11 - 2:54:01 PM Boredofu wrote:
So you would protest to keep the third world starving?

I'm not so sure the people in those countries are really better off despite having a higher income on paper. Sure, the people who work in the factories are bringing home more money and able to afford things they never would have before, but it comes at a dire cost to the rest of the population. What were once farming communities can no longer provide for themselves as the land is poisoned from the factories. Though they had little to no income before, they were providing for themselves.

Not to mention the working conditions are absolutely abysmal.
8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 10/11/11 - 12:15:04 AM EST (GMT-5)
But really, I just think that the movement would be more meaningful if they had actual demands. You know what this strike reminds me of?

8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 10/11/11 - 12:48:07 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 10/11/11 - 12:15:04 AM Raisinman wrote:
But really, I just think that the movement would be more meaningful if they had actual demands. You know what this strike reminds me of? [image]

Oh, they've got actual demands all right. One is the demand that our elected representatives actually represent the people who elect them.

8 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 10/11/11 - 12:48:58 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'll be there man.
8 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 10/11/11 - 1:25:05 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'm so down for that.

I've never been to a protest of any sorts before, and now that I'm 18 and my parental figures are no longer fiscally responsible for me if I get arrested, I'm really gonna consider it.
8 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 10/11/11 - 1:28:50 AM EST (GMT-5)
I would only go to take a look - I wouldn't go as a protestor. It would compromise my political position
8 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 10/11/11 - 1:48:44 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 10/11/11 - 12:15:04 AM Raisinman wrote:
But really, I just think that the movement would be more meaningful if they had actual demands. You know what this strike reminds me of? [image]
On Tuesday 10/11/11 - 12:48:07 AM aldod wrote:
Oh, they've got actual demands all right. One is the demand that our elected representatives actually represent the people who elect them.


So you respond to allegations of vague demand by giving an incredibly vague example.

To answer the question, no. The Occupy protests are simply the liberal equivalent to the Tea Party: a bunch of obnoxious windbags who are angry about...something and won't shut the hell up about it as they throw around meaningless buzzwords.
8 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Tuesday 10/11/11 - 9:24:44 AM EST (GMT-5)
People are fetching for more democracy, nothing that vague about it rly.

But see, it's like Festivus, first you have the airing of grievances and then the real party takes place.

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