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3,710 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 18 years ago by buddy

Do you think the states should be allowed to classify a fetus as an ``unborn child``?


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18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:41:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
Exxkon, most women haven't decided by the first trimester. Some don't even know they are pregnant until the fourth month. Does the fetus stay a fetus for longer in that case?
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:42:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
What, you mean some of them may want to live on life support for the rest of their lives? That's not life, or at least not human life.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:54:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
...that just happens to have be another entity. I'd love to see an arm that grew into a person.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:56:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
You find an arm like that and I'll believe your argument, pish.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:57:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
You find an arm like that and I'll believe your argument, rufio.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:58:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm confused.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:59:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
Obviously. :)
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:00:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
YOU'RE the one that's trying to prove that a part of a person's bady is an entity in its own right.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:03:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
Ok, I don't know if anyone has stated this before, 'cause I haven't read all the posts, but I'm going to now. Sorry if I'm being redundant. There is a heartbeat 18 days after conception. There are brain waves 6 weeks after conception. Vital organs begin working 8 weeks after conception. The child can feel pain 9 weeks after conception. (Most abortions are done a long time *after* this.) So yeah, a fetus is an unborn child.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:06:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
YOU'RE the one saying that a woman carries something other than human that, apparently, is comparable to an arm but, by some odd occurance, somehow becomes human by some "movement clause," where the division between humanity and "other" is the ability to survive independent of the mother, although you discount that one year olds could not do this very thing. You don't believe that something's alive until it leaves the womb even though it's clear that a fetus has a heart beat inside the womb. You consider fetuses "parasitical" because they are linked to their food source, but you balk at the realization that we are parasitical to the land itself. You refuse to believe that an unborn baby (aka fetus) is independent of the mother at conception and believe its a mere extension of the woman, even though the baby is as much of the man as it is of the woman. It kicks in the womb, but is not alive; it cries in the womb, but is not alive; it dies in the womb, b
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:07:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
*but that's acceptable.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:14:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
I do not consider fetuses "parasitical," I consider them parasitic. We are neither "parasitical" nor parasitic to the land, because the land is not an independant being, we do not live inside it, and we do not consume its food source. A fetus is only independant from the mother through thechnology, at which point it is dependent on the technology. Something that lives only through draining something else's life is not alive.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:15:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
You just said it was alive.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:18:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
Alright, then. Something that appears to be alive only through draining something else's life is not alive. Is that better?
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:23:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
That makes absolutely no sense, so no.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:26:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think being alive if determined by something other than what science determines it by. Does that help it make sense?
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:29:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
That makes sense; science has not determined "conclusively" when a fetus is "alive" as a human being. That is why we must presume that it is alive at every stage. If we do not, we risk killing that which is ourselves.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:30:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
Alright, then. Something that appears to be alive only through draining something else's life is not alive. Is that better? Mistletoe isn't alive? What about a tick? What about a nursing baby?
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:33:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
Things that feed off of other things are alive. Everything feeds off of something else. Things that depend completely on another thing to survive are not.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:36:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
how do you know the fetus isn't feeding? you take mistletoe off the tree, it dies you don't allow a tick to get blood, it will die. I fail to see the distinction. You could say the fetus is parasitical, but you can't say that is the basis for it not being alive.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:41:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
i guess technically it is alive, like a tree is alive
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:42:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
If you deny a person food, they will die. A fetus is essentially borrowing life. It does not consume the way a normal creature would. It consumes the way a parasite would. It drains without killing, but does not really consume.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:43:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
Rufio, that doesn't make sense...
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 7:45:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
yes, it does consume, it uses the energy from the mother to undergo mitosis and cell differentiation. If the mother doesn't eat more than she uaually does, she loses weight. Why else is nutrition so important during pregnancy? That sounds like consumption to me. You can call a fetus parasitic if you wish, but that does not make it 'not alive'.

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