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3,706 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 18 years ago by buddy

Do you think the states should be allowed to classify a fetus as an ``unborn child``?


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18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:14:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
What's that?
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:14:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
Well, it gets it's mind at some point before the 9 months. Certainly before it exits the mother. I don't know technically at what stage that is. I mean, you have to admit it starts being an unborn baby at least a few months before the mother delivers it.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:15:08 PM EST (GMT-5)
Fetuses are potential children. It seems that these days the word 'potential' means 'definite,' so the US is probably going to treat a fetus as a definite child. You can never pass up a life.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:15:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
It doesn't have free will.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:16:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
A baby has free will? In what regard, and how is that different than the free will of a fetus?
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:17:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
It doesn't have free when it's fully formed 2 minutes before it exits the mother's body, but it does 2 minutes later? I'm sorry, I don't buy that. I think at some point during the pregnancy, the fetus becomes a baby. The supreme court said that point is 3 months. I'm sure they are better judges of that on a scientific basis than I am.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:18:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
A baby can move of its own accord, think of its own accord, and such. A fetus is tied to its mother through a bond that keeps it alive and doesn't have any choice about what happens to it. I don't care if it has grey matter - it doesn't have a mind until it can think for itself.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:20:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
How do you know when it can think for itself? And if you do not know, why dare taking its life?
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:20:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
Buddy, if at some point the fetus changes from a fetus to an unborn baby, there will be a point where, at one minute it will be a fetus and the next it sill be a baby, no matter if that point is at birth or when the baby is still in the womb.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:21:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
When it can move on its own, without help, pish.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:21:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
Babies can move and think on their own when the are fully formed in the womb. The cord just provides nutrients at that point. The mother is not transmitting thoughts into the baby's head and instructing it when to kick, roll over or such its thumb in the womb.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:23:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
Maybe, but it's still not independant of the mother at that point. It's still a parasite.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:23:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
Does this "movement clause" apply to all things potentially human? (Pardon all the questions, but the Socratic method does wonders.)
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:26:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think all things are alive to a certain degree. Nothing is as alive as a human being. However, anything that is totally dependant on something else for survival every single instant to the point where it is actually part of that entity is not alive.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:27:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
When it's basically just a mass of cells, you can get away with calling it a parasite. But, come on, 9 months in when it has 10 fingers and 10 toes and a beating heart and eyes and a brain and the ability to move around and the ability to survive on its own if it were removed from the mother surgically, you can't get away with the parasite argument. At some point in the process, before it's delivered, it stops being a parasite and starts being a human.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:28:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
Then are we not all parasitical? Do we not live off of the land and if we didn't, we would all die?
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:31:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
If it was supposed to be able to survive on its own before the nine months were up, it would have been born then. The only reason it can survive is that we have the technology, which, being subject to change, does not determine whether or not the fetus is alive. It depends on living inside of an organism and stealing its nutrients for survival. It is a parasite.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:31:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
The land itself is not an entity in its own right, pish.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:32:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
In any case, we don't live inside it, and we don't use for nourishment what it uses for nourishment (which I don't even know what might be).
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:34:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
The land dies, rufio. You know that. But moving on... So if we have the technology to save a person, should we? If someone can't survive on their own, is it right that that person should die on our watch?
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:35:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
Think of this question from a moral stand. If you allow a fetus to develop, the woman holding it probably wanted it to happen, and if she didn't, the woman would get rid of it before it became an embryo after 3 months. A fetus should not be considered an unborn child because the first trimester is a stage when the mother is still very undecisiver about whether she wants to actually deliver the child. An embryo, however, is a whole different matter.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:36:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
What? <---not a Socratic question
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:38:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
A fetus should not be considered an unborn child because the first trimester is a stage when the mother is still very undecisive about whether she wants to actually deliver the child. An embryo, however, is a whole different matter.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:38:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
How does the land die, pish? Do you mean the plants dying? It depends on the situation, whether we should save someone or not. If they will be able to live a healthy life afterwards, with no consequences, sure. If not, than no. The problem with trying to save miscarried fetuses is that most of the time they were miscarried for a reason - they had some defect that would not have allowed them to survive if they had come to term. A lot of these fetuses that are saved by machines end up with those defects until they die.
18 yrs ago, 1 mos ago - Thursday 2/7/02 - 6:40:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
"If they will be able to live a healthy life afterwards, with no consequences, sure. If not, than no." You forgot that these people have wills of their own.

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