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2,373 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 6 years ago by clashrocker

Imagine that you are a male sent to colonize Mars with four other males and five females. One of those females is your wife. The other four women discover that they are infertile. Do you allow the other males to continue their genetic line?
With your wife's consent, of course.


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6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 3/14/11 - 11:22:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
If I were the woman in question here, I wouldn't go for it, because that would result in a lot of incest, and genetic disorders down the line.

Besides, what drated up space agency didn't do fertility testing before sending off a bunch of people to colonize a planet? And only sent five women in the first place?
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 3/14/11 - 11:29:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 3/14/11 - 11:22:42 PM HaroldtheBat wrote:
If I were the woman in question here, I wouldn't go for it, because that would result in a lot of incest, and genetic disorders down the line. Besides, what drated up space agency didn't do fertility testing before sending off a bunch of people to colonize a planet? And only sent five women in the first place?

This was my question.
If they had to pick 5 females out of the billions there are, I think they would have done fertility tests.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Monday 3/14/11 - 11:33:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
The world is doomed at this point.

I'll just have safe sex.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 2:08:22 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 3/14/11 - 11:22:42 PM HaroldtheBat wrote:
If I were the woman in question here, I wouldn't go for it, because that would result in a lot of incest, and genetic disorders down the line. Besides, what drated up space agency didn't do fertility testing before sending off a bunch of people to colonize a planet? And only sent five women in the first place?
On Monday 3/14/11 - 11:29:51 PM The_Donnas wrote:
This was my question. If they had to pick 5 females out of the billions there are, I think they would have done fertility tests.


Just imagine it's the government from the movie Idiocracy or something.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 2:13:48 AM EST (GMT-5)
Maybe there was some weird radiation in the women's bathroom.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 3:50:01 AM EST (GMT-5)
No, because within 2 or 3 generations, the genetic diversity of the entire Martian society would be sh*t and produce a bunch of really unfortunate inbreds... So I'd basically be letting these guys take turns on my wife for nothing.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 5:24:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
Only if I could watch.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 6:29:49 AM EST (GMT-5)
This question might work better if it was the male who discovered he was infertile...

Aside from all the flaws everyone else has pointed out, there's one more: I don't think I'd ever give a sh*t about the other males' continuing their genetic lines under those circumstances. F*ck a bunch of macho bullsh*t. But if it was for the survival of the entire species, my answer would be a quick "Yes."

Taking all the flaws into account, though, I might go w/ a "No" just on principle. Someone else f*cked up and didn't do fertility testing? Suffer the consequences. I'm not covering your incompetent ass.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 12:07:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/18/11 - 3:50:01 AM Kepi wrote:
No, because within 2 or 3 generations, the genetic diversity of the entire Martian society would be sh*t and produce a bunch of really unfortunate inbreds... So I'd basically be letting these guys take turns on my wife for nothing.

...Maybe they could get a new shipment from Earth every fifteen or twenty years, when their children are reaching reproductive age? That might prevent inbreeding to a higher extent.

On Friday 3/18/11 - 6:29:49 AM IRLIteach wrote:
This question might work better if it was the male who discovered he was infertile...

Nah. Despite the question's f*cked-up wording, it loses the ideological question of personal sacrifice for the good of the society the other way around.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 12:32:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
Screw that, nobody is banging my wife but me. I'll kill them if they try.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 2:17:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
You'd need way more than 10 people to repopulate a planet. They would have to wait until the kids were of age provided they were all female and then how sick would it be to have sex with someone you watched grow up from a baby? I mean, the other alternative would be that the children have sex with each other, but then its all incest.

So no. Id rather not.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 10:16:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think that should be more the woman's decision than the man's.

Frankly, how many children do you expect one woman to produce, regardless of the number of men she mates with?
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 10:26:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/18/11 - 12:07:25 PM clashrocker wrote:
Nah. Despite the question's f*cked-up wording, it loses the ideological question of personal sacrifice for the good of the society the other way around.

As is, I think the original question misses that for the reasons I stated. What's the sacrifice, and why? I don't see it as anyone's responsibility to see to the continuation of someone else's bloodline. And the incompetence of sending 4 infertile women is too asinine to deserve coverage.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 10:28:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/18/11 - 10:16:13 PM Wanderer wrote:
I think that should be more the woman's decision than the man's. Frankly, how many children do you expect one woman to produce, regardless of the number of men she mates with?

And this, too, clashrocker.

Again, a better question would have been to create a context in which multiple partnering would be beneficial to society's survival, maybe for the diversity or something.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 11:33:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/18/11 - 2:17:38 PM peddlefish wrote:
You'd need way more than 10 people to repopulate a planet. They would have to wait until the kids were of age provided they were all female and then how sick would it be to have sex with someone you watched grow up from a baby? I mean, the other alternative would be that the children have sex with each other, but then its all incest. So no. Id rather not.


Well, of COURSE it would take more than ten people to repopulate a planet.
To me at least, it seems that colonization would have to occur in phases.

The first phase, most likely, would involve a very small group of test inhabitants setting up base on the planet. In that phase, scientific testing might determine what influence particular atmospheric conditions have on the human body and what kinds of technologies could be developed to remedy that.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 11:40:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
...it would also be likely that those chosen to help colonize another planet would be at least 30 years old, and of a scientific background.

At age 30, the wife, in said scenario, might have another 15 years of reproductive splendor left.
The males would likely have a few more years, but that depends on whether they are willing to risk waiting for Phase II or whatever you want to call it for more people to arrive.

In any case, no matter how incompetent a governmental space colonization program, I doubt that they would want to send more people until it is determined that life on said planet can be sustained in a desirable manner.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 11:43:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
[quote]On Friday 3/18/11 - 10:28:36 PM IRLIteach wrote:
Again, a better question would have been to create a context in which multiple partnering would be beneficial to society's survival, maybe for the diversity or something.

I'll keep that in mind for future questions.
I assumed it was inherently known that multiple parterning would likely be beneficial to maintaining diversity and preventing inbreeding, however.
6 yrs ago, 8 mos ago - Friday 3/18/11 - 11:45:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/18/11 - 10:16:13 PM Wanderer wrote:
I think that should be more the woman's decision than the man's. Frankly, how many children do you expect one woman to produce, regardless of the number of men she mates with?

Let's just say the wife is consenting, for the aforementioned reason of maintaining diversity.
I really can't picture the wives having any more than two or three children on average, however.
6 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Saturday 3/19/11 - 9:33:47 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 3/18/11 - 10:16:13 PM Wanderer wrote:
I think that should be more the woman's decision than the man's. Frankly, how many children do you expect one woman to produce, regardless of the number of men she mates with?
On Friday 3/18/11 - 11:45:19 PM clashrocker wrote:
Let's just say the wife is consenting, for the aforementioned reason of maintaining diversity. I really can't picture the wives having any more than two or three children on average, however.

But "maintaining diversity" wasn't the aforementioned reason. The aforementioned reason was so that the other males could continue their genetic line.
6 yrs ago, 7 mos ago - Saturday 3/19/11 - 3:32:23 PM EST (GMT-5)
One of the other males impregnates my wife, I get angry and kill him, setting off a chain of events that leads to the deaths of everybody but baby Valentine Michael Smith, who gets raised by Martians until the next Terran expedition to Mars.

Once upon a time when the world was young there was a Martian named Smith.
Valentine Michael Smith was as real as taxes yet he was a race of one.
4 yrs ago, 5 mos ago - Thursday 6/13/13 - 4:00:28 AM EST (GMT-5)
It would be better for society if there were multiple women per man. According to Star Trek, each woman should have a child by four different men to produce enough genetic diversity to continue the species.
3 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Tuesday 12/31/13 - 5:44:37 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 6/13/13 - 4:00:28 AM thisone1 wrote:
It would be better for society if there were multiple women per man. According to Star Trek, each woman should have a child by four different men to produce enough genetic diversity to continue the species.


It's been a while since I've seen it, but I'm pretty sure that episode was about a society of clones that was dying out. They needed to initially encourage polygamy to boost genetic variation; it wasn't about what a normally reproducing society should do to maintain it.

Even if it were, I wouldn't consider it better for society because Star Trek said so...
3 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Tuesday 12/31/13 - 7:20:33 AM EST (GMT-5)
that's my wife's decision
3 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Tuesday 12/31/13 - 12:33:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think it would not be a 1:1 ratio of men:women...it would be much more efficient to send a 1:3 or 1:4 ratio. I could see a crew of 3-4 highly distinguished men leading the expedition being accompanied by 15-20 female *interns* for them to procreate with and assign menial tasks to.
3 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Wednesday 1/1/14 - 9:34:42 AM EST (GMT-5)
No I would kill the other males and I would get my daughters pregnant and I would start a Mars Baptist Church cult.

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