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Wubba D
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 2:52:35 AM
We didn't evolve from apes you twit. Both apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor.
If you're going to attempt to poke holes in evolutionary theory then you'd better bloody make sure you have a good grasp of it.
And besides, a certain species being around today does not mean that another species didn't evolve from it. Say species A lives in a forest. Their numbers increase and form separate populations, population X and population Y. Population X is forced out of the forest and into the savannah, thereby being subjected to different environmental pressures and evolving into species B. Population Y remains in the jungle and nothing else changes, remaining as species A. Speciation occurs between species A and population population X thereby forming species B, but not between species A and population Y.
Species B evolved from species A, yet species A is extant. |
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skine
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 9:29:56 AM
On Thursday 11/5/09 - 2:52:35 AM Wubba D wrote:
We didn't evolve from apes you twit. Both apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor. |
That common ancestor is an ape, so humans evolved from apes; as did every other species of ape.
A good analogy to use is that the other existent apes (gorillas, chimps, orangutans, bonobos and bili apes) are our cousins (possibly orangutans are second cousins).
We all have the same great-grandmother who may or may not still be alive.
But none of the cousins descended from any of the others.
Also, you should look into the person who first posed that question.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George... |
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mer_359
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 10:58:33 AM
it's only a theory |
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 11:02:28 AM
On Thursday 11/5/09 - 10:58:33 AM mer_359 wrote:
it's only a theory |
like gravity and atoms  |
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 11:47:19 AM
On Thursday 11/5/09 - 2:52:35 AM Wubba D wrote:
We didn't evolve from apes you twit. Both apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor. |
What he said, except instead of a twit, I'll call you a f**king retard. |
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 11:57:11 AM
As Wubba says, species A having evolved species B does not require the extinction of species B.
It's a pretty typical "objection" typically raised by typical creationists - that is, it's completely invalid and misses the point due to its being raised by someone with a complete non-understanding of evolution. |
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 12:01:17 PM
On Thursday 11/5/09 - 9:29:56 AM skine wrote:
That common ancestor is an ape, so humans evolved from apes; as did every other species of ape. |
Wrong. We all evolved from an ape-LIKE ancestor, not a f**king ape!
What is it about the term ape-like that retards just can't grasp? |
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Lavan914
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 12:05:20 PM
Well im christan so no doubt i will say no
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 12:06:56 PM
On Thursday 11/5/09 - 12:05:20 PM Lavan914 wrote:
Well im christan so no doubt i will say no |
Being Christian does not entail rejecting evolution; most do not. |
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skine
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 1:52:32 PM
On Thursday 11/5/09 - 9:29:56 AM skine wrote:
That common ancestor is an ape, so humans evolved from apes; as did every other species of ape. |
On Thursday 11/5/09 - 12:01:17 PM Brunnen_G wrote:
Wrong. We all evolved from an ape-LIKE ancestor, not a f**king ape! What is it about the term ape-like that retards just can't grasp? |
Swearing and calling me a retard don't refute my claim.
Apes, by definition, include the most recent common ancestor of all modern apes and all of its descendants. Sure, all apes have many common ancestors which are not apes, but there is one species that is classified as an ape and is a common ancestor to all apes.
I did make one mistake above; I listed only the Great Apes (excluding humans) as apes, but gibbons are included as well. |
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chiklink
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 2:24:50 PM
Oh Goodness. Why does everyone have to fight about everything? What does it matter what we evolved from? We're here aren't we? |
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 2:50:37 PM
which is that ancestor and where does it say it's classes as hominoid? i've been looking... |
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DarkCloud26
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 3:52:52 PM
no. i believe that god created humans-i'm not a religion freak, i'm just sayin' |
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 4:09:06 PM
On Thursday 11/5/09 - 3:52:52 PM DarkCloud26 wrote:
no. i believe that god created humans-i'm not a religion freak, i'm just sayin' |
You're not a religion freak.
You're just dumb |
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reallygotme
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 4:10:48 PM
As adorable it would be if my great great x22672682742 grandparents were apes, I try not to take fairytales literally. |
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 4:11:49 PM
On Thursday 11/5/09 - 4:10:48 PM reallygotme wrote:
I try not to take fairytales literally. |
hahahahaha
oh man
you gotta be kidding me |
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 4:14:41 PM
Never mind. DarkCloud, I take back what I said. You are relatively intelligent compared to reallygotme.
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reallygotme
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 5:20:54 PM
Ooh ooh ah ah! *swings from lightshade*
Lol oh man. Seriously? It's too funny to be sad that people believe that groundless drivel. |
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 6:14:10 PM
On Thursday 11/5/09 - 5:20:54 PM reallygotme wrote:
Ooh ooh ah ah! *swings from lightshade* Lol oh man. Seriously? It's too funny to be sad that people believe that groundless drivel. |
So it's more reasonable to imagine that a giant man in the clouds with magical powers took some mud, made it into a human, then took that humans rib and made a woman out it?
The "story" that man evolved from apes has plenty of scientific support and makes the most logical sense.
The "story" that humans were created by a bearded wizard in the sky has no proof at all and doesn't make much logical sense. |
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Lanoira666
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 6:55:45 PM
No we just shared a common ancestor. |
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 7:01:36 PM
On Thursday 11/5/09 - 6:55:45 PM Lanoira666 wrote:
No we just shared a common ancestor. |
Which was also an ape. |
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 7:22:50 PM
I like how Brunnen's getting defensive about this and slinging around "retard" when he's absolutely wrong, inasmuch as the common ancestors between humans and other modern primates are also classified as apes.  |
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RandyAddict
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S. America
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 7:23:57 PM
Ugh, I want to say so many things to so many people right now.
But i'll pass. |
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 7:25:11 PM
Specific citation, for the record: O. Macedoniensis is considered by many to be the most recent specimen that was an ancestor to both today's great apes and humans. It's family is hominidae, ape by definition. |
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Thursday 11/5/09 - 7:40:02 PM
Taxonomy as follows:
Order: Primates - C. Linnaeus, 1758
Suborder: Haplorrhini - Pocock, 1918
Infraorder: Simiiformes - Haeckel, 1866
Parvorder: Catarrhini -. Geoffroy Saint-Hilaire, 1812 <- - - - - - - - old world monkeys and apes
Superfamily: Hominoidea - (Gray, 1825) Gregory & Hellman, 1923
Family: Hominidae - Gray, 1825
Subfamily: Homininae - (Gray, 1825) Delson and Andrews, in Luckett
Tribe: Hominini - (Gray, 1825) Delson and P. Andrews, in Luckett
Subtribe: Hominina - (Gray, 1825) Delson and P. Andrews, in Luckett
Genus: Homo - Linnaeus, 1758 - Hominoids
Specific name: sapiens - Linnaeus, 1758
Subspecies: sapiens
Scientific name: - Homo sapiens sapiens L. <- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - us
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