not anymore.

For some people.

I'd say so.

i'd say, usually, yes in that it generally implies a plan to buy a house and have children and I am including long term relationships that are effectively the same thing.

Becoming a monk or a nun would be a good contender too.

Yes I think so

I'd say giving birth is, or should be rather.

More like the ultimate gesture of short-sightedness or maybe the ultimate gesture in naivity.

No, divorce is. I mean, you gotta be committed to getting away from each other if it takes as long as most people say it does.

I'd say it can't beat those "insane" stamps you can't wash off.

Ah, but the only logical reason for marriage is for staying in countries.

On 8/26/2006 12:08:49 AM Abzurd wrote: not anymore.

Exactly. Times are changing rapidly. Way back when, when you married someone it was for life. Now you marry someone, it is only until the divorce.

No, killing your wife, kids and yourself is an ultamite gesture of commitment to me.

It's the ultimate gesture of coping out.

On 8/26/2006 12:08:49 AM Abzurd wrote: not anymore.

What he said.

Usually it is

I don't know, I don't believe in it.

The ultimate gesture of commitment is self-sacrifice.

It certainly should be.

Depends on the person.

I don't think it is.
I think the ultimate gesture of commitment is deciding to start a family together. Once you decide to have children you know that you have the responsibility to care for them and raise them together with your partner.

Even parents who split up are still committed to each other (at least, they should be) because they want to raise their kids in the best way possible and that takes the effort of both parents.

Marriage is basically a piece of paper. Doing whatever it takes to get past the hurdles is the ultimate gesture.

' I think the ultimate gesture of commitment is deciding to start a family together.'

Is marriage then not official, and the first step?

'Marriage is basically a piece of paper. '

It need not be just a piece of paper - there are underlying forces at work that go with the signature.

'Doing whatever it takes to get past the hurdles is the ultimate gesture.'

Then is marriage not the first step?

On 11/30/2006 11:13:35 AM Lynn_19 wrote: ' I think the ultimate gesture of commitment is deciding to start a family together.' Is marriage then not official, and the first step? 'Marriage is basically a piece of paper. ' It need not be just a piece of paper - there are underlying forces at work that go with the signature. 'Doing whatever it takes to get past the hurdles is the ultimate gesture.' Then is marriage not the first step?

No, it isn't because you don't need to be married to do those things.

'No, it isn't because you don't need to be married to do those things.'

then why would people get married, if they could do those without it?

Are you seriously trying to say that people don't have families unless they are married?

I don't know why people get married. Maybe because there is still a huge stigma on people who have families without being married.

It has also been ingrained into our culture for years and most religious people believe it is a sin to not be married before starting a family.

Some people feel it is necessary to be legally married, I, on the other hand, think marriage is made out to be more important then it really is.