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1,731 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 16 years ago by kyry

Does every truth have an explanation for its being true?

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16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Sunday 5/9/04 - 10:55:14 AM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, I think so. If it didn't have an explanation would it not be a lie because it has a lack of truth?

Of course, that brings up the question "What is truth?" The answer differs from person to person so therefore I think the answer to your question would also differ from person to person..

16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Sunday 5/9/04 - 11:47:30 AM EST (GMT-5)
I think I've recently answered a question remarkably similar to this one...
Yes, though it may not be discernable.
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/10/04 - 7:23:08 AM EST (GMT-5)
This question doesn't mean anything.

A truth is a truth. If it wasn't, it would be a lie. End of story.

16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/10/04 - 7:26:39 AM EST (GMT-5)
Your comment doesn't mean anything in the context of this question. Obviously a truth is a truth - that's not in dispute.
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/10/04 - 7:29:51 AM EST (GMT-5)
What UncleLaughie said.
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/10/04 - 7:32:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
A truth is a truth because it has fact to back it up. Therefore, this question is unnecessary because it gains no ground.
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/10/04 - 7:34:14 AM EST (GMT-5)
And what are these "facts" you refer to?

And what ground is this question supposed to gain?

16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/10/04 - 7:38:20 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'm way too tired, but I'll offer this. This question is too cryptic. You ask for my facts. Well what truths is this person talking about. It's all academic. A truth is a truth because it is. If something is true, there are facts and figures to back it up. If these things are absent, then whatever this person is talking about is most likely a lie.

Do you agree?

16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/10/04 - 7:39:17 AM EST (GMT-5)
^ Oh, this person is you.

Well then, what are you talking about?

16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/10/04 - 7:44:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
Things that are true are true. They need no facts or figures to be available in order to be true, because they are true, and their truth is independent of these. But is there a reason for their being true? Often, there obviously is - for example, a causal explanation for an empirical fact.

This is asking if the same applies to all truths - and it's not implying that the answers are either that all do, or that all don't. Rather, it's asking whether all do, or not all do, and is including the set of all truths. For example, do mathematical truths owe their truth to anything? Does the fact that *this* set of truths is the set of all truths have a reason? Is there a reason for there existing anything at all?

16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 5/11/04 - 4:00:07 AM EST (GMT-5)
I think I get what you're saying. It's something along the lines of 'what is the reason for truths?'

To me, this is like asking "What is the meaning of life." There is no explaination, you just have to accept it.

16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 5/11/04 - 4:07:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
OzArcher, I think what Kyry is getting at is what epistemological meaning/explanation constitutes 'truth'. And for this epistemological 'truth', does it have an explanation which displays it actually being true, i.e. do all 'truth'-s have an explanation for them being true?
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 5/11/04 - 4:13:45 AM EST (GMT-5)
I think no. There are some things that probably (and I use that word loosely) are true but don't have an immediate explanation for them being true. For example physics axioms and mathematical axioms.
Axioms are seen as ABSOLUTE true, but there is no underlying explanation for them being true; and any explanation for them demonstrating that they are true in a mathematical demonstration/proof defeats the purpose of explanation them, because one does the Non Causa Pro Causa Fallacy (using examples of the argument to prove the argument itself).
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 5/11/04 - 4:14:54 AM EST (GMT-5)
I get it already!! I do! I do!

You guys should get a gig with Douglas Adams. You sound like the dolphins. So long. And thanks for all the fish!

16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 5/11/04 - 4:31:47 AM EST (GMT-5)
Oh an important note on the axioms bit, axioms are self-evident, but IMO that doesn't constitute an explanation. Self-evident words and phrases are intuitive.
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 5/11/04 - 1:55:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
Not every truth.
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 5/11/04 - 2:15:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
What truth doesn't have an explanation, ang?
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Tuesday 5/11/04 - 2:15:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
If anything is true necessarily, that is the explanation for its truth: the impossibility of its being false.
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Thursday 5/13/04 - 9:52:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
In this reality full justification is impossible according to the helenistic philosophies, so there isn't a truth that is fully explained or justified.

Well if you agree with skeptism.

16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/17/04 - 2:37:32 AM EST (GMT-5)
Yeah, but not neccessarily one we are capable of figuring out.
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/17/04 - 2:46:24 AM EST (GMT-5)
Kyry!! Your last post here has just completely agreed with everything I'd been saying earlier. Here I am bending my brain to understand your logic and now it appears you don't have any.
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/17/04 - 2:54:17 AM EST (GMT-5)
He's saying the only way we can know something is true is not by proving its true, but by proving it can't be false.
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/17/04 - 2:58:28 AM EST (GMT-5)
^which is exactly what our 'discussion' was about a few nights ago. I said this from the beginning and he kept spouting on about mathematical truths and the like. Now all of a sudden he agrees with what I was saying.


16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/17/04 - 3:00:31 AM EST (GMT-5)
Oh I see lol
16 yrs ago, 9 mos ago - Monday 5/17/04 - 3:05:00 AM EST (GMT-5)
No, Oz. I'm referring to necessary truths as opposed to contingent truths. A necessary truth is one which could not have been otherwise, and there is a contradiction in denying its truth, whereas a contingent truth could have been other than it is. For example, a necessary truth would be that a triangle is three sided. There is a contradiction in saying that a triangle is four sided, because three sidedness is in the definition of a triangle. A contingent truth would be something like Paris being the capital of France. It could logically have been Lyon or whatever.

Thus, the logical necessity of a necessary truth is an adequate explanation for its being true - that it couldn't be otherwise. A contingent truth, on the other hand, cannot be explained as being true just because it is, as it could easily have been otherwise.

molls, that's not what I'm saying. Things can be known to be true by proving they are true. If they have a truth value at all, then...

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