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667 hits Rate me! Share Favorite | Flag 16 years ago by DaWeirdo

Is the lotus flower in `The Odyssey` comparable with drugs today?


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16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 12/13/03 - 5:56:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
Oh, totally. I remember that part, thinking it was a very obvious metaphor for addiction. The crew members who were into it lost all sense of purpose. They had that loss of self that is usually ascribed to heroin addicts. It's really neat, how addiction is found in the second piece of Western literature. Opium addiction is an old problem in Asia as well. That's why I like to think of drug addiction in medical terms. Obviously it's been around for a long time (three-thousand years, nearly, in the Odyssey). It's not going anywhere, and Nancy Reagan-style moralizing won't solve the problem. Addiction is a universal human phenomenon that requires medical treatment.
16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 12/13/03 - 10:32:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'm glad I'm not the only one that got the connection.

Woohoo.

16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 12/13/03 - 3:40:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
Is that where the crew of the boat become infatuated with the women who are singing a song?
16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 12/13/03 - 5:08:51 PM EST (GMT-5)
that's where you encounter circe ...the insipation for cpt kirk belive it or not....the isle of the lotus eaters
16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Saturday 12/13/03 - 5:10:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
wise is on point that is alot like opium addiction/ heavy use....check out kublah kahn good descriptive scene...aside from the fact that the author was know to trance out
16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Sunday 12/14/03 - 11:12:01 AM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, Zub, that's a very small section of it.

The songs are sung by the Sirens, and you go mad if you hear them.

16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Sunday 12/14/03 - 11:21:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
I thought the Sirens lured you in with their songs, then killed you with their powerful bird-like talons?
16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Sunday 12/14/03 - 12:00:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
right, kaneda, your ship crashed on the sharp rocks, and odysseus had to plug his crew's ears with wax in order to sail by them. Back to the lotus eaters, i have never heard it expressed a different way.
16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Monday 12/15/03 - 8:13:46 AM EST (GMT-5)
Nope, I'm pretty sure that Circe said that it would just simply drive you crazy and you'll end up killing yourself or something.

I'll look it up in a second.

I know that in the cartoons and movies and stuff they crashed on the rocks, but the original book, I'm not too sure.

16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Monday 12/15/03 - 8:17:14 AM EST (GMT-5)
Quote from Circe, telling Odysseus of the Sirens:
". . .and now pay
attention to what I am about to tell you- heaven itself, indeed,
will recall it to your recollection. First you will come to the Sirens
who enchant all who come near them. If any one unwarily draws in too
close and hears the singing of the Sirens, his wife and children
will never welcome him home again, for they sit in a green field and
warble him to death with the sweetness of their song. There is a great
heap of dead men's bones lying all around, with the flesh still
rotting off them. Therefore pass these Sirens by, and stop your
men's ears with wax that none of them may hear; but if you like you
can listen yourself, for you may get the men to bind you as you
stand upright on a cross-piece half way up the mast, and they must
lash the rope's ends to the mast itself, that you may have the
pleasure of listening. If you beg and pray the men to unloose you,
then they must
16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Monday 12/15/03 - 8:18:29 AM EST (GMT-5)
. . . bind you faster.

See? They warble him to death.

SING him to death.

16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Monday 12/15/03 - 8:19:15 AM EST (GMT-5)
Oh, and I didn't mean to sound smart alecky, but I'm right.

16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Tuesday 12/16/03 - 11:20:45 AM EST (GMT-5)
DaWeirdo, the characters in the Odyssey use extremely figurative language. Unfortunately, what we know of the sirens is very limited to the Odyssey (their appearance is limited to a few passages) and the story of Jason and the Argonauts, I believe.

Anyway, we know that listening to the song of the sirens doesn't kill a man, namely because Odyesseus himself listened to the Sirens' entire song and lived. He went mad during the experience, tied to the mast of his ship, but once they stopped singing he suffered no ill effects. As I understood it, a man would want to jump of the ship to reach them, and drown shortly thereafter. I don't believe they ate their vicitms, though there are certainly several variations of many, many Greek myths. All I know is that listening to their song does not kill a person, according to the most popular version. They merely go briefly insane.

16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Tuesday 12/16/03 - 4:10:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
^I believe that's the popular interpretation of it, wise.

The lotus flower is very comparable with drugs and modern day addictions. Drug abuse has always been a problem in the world, always will be.

16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Thursday 12/18/03 - 10:20:18 AM EST (GMT-5)
Um...ya.
16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Thursday 12/18/03 - 11:32:58 AM EST (GMT-5)
Of course, but I think it could also be symbolic of anything you allow to get in the way of your goals: booze, YT, tv, YT, etc, YT...
16 yrs ago, 3 mos ago - Thursday 12/18/03 - 3:19:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
^

Haha.

15 yrs ago, 11 mos ago - Monday 4/26/04 - 6:44:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
No.

Drugs today come in pill format.

15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Thursday 6/3/04 - 10:50:04 AM EST (GMT-5)
I thought the book was trying to say that women will be the end of men.
15 yrs ago, 10 mos ago - Thursday 6/3/04 - 1:30:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
What? Penelope was shown as the ultimate symbol of female purity and the ideal wife for a man. Odysseus' motivation throughout the whole book was to see her! I don't think Homer was saying that at all.

Also, Arete, Nausicaa, and the old nurse of Odysseus' kingdom were all very good to him. Circe, though malicious at first, grew to be invaluable to him. Calypso wasn't so nice, any way you cut it, but she was really the only one, unless you count the sirens as female. And Athena? Fughgettabouditt! She was awesome to him!

15 yrs ago, 2 mos ago - Tuesday 1/11/05 - 9:29:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm sorry, but I completely forgot the important parts of that. (although I do remember the movie had LOTS of sex in it. A LOT)Hopefully I'm thinking of the right one.



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