How can you say that God is responsible for the evil in the world? All he represents is love. I love all the people out there who put God, the president, and anything else down so they can think better of themselves and it's what everyone else is doing. When the crap hits the fan, they are the ones who fall to their knee's praying for Gods help. "Batter my heart, you three personed God..." look it up.
no..Humans are responsible for evil..The World was perfect when he made us and everything was good and b/c everything was good he gave us humans freedom of choice and we chose to have sin and created sin..God cannot create evil
I agree with the last 3, and also want to say, we as humans create our own suffering. We've been given the Earth and everything with it, and yet we still have wars and cut down the rainforest which could provide cures to illness.
define "evil". are you talking about pure evil? or do you mean just the bad crap? there is a difference between Hitler and a bank robber. Could you be more specific please?
Also, to goatudder: did He not create Satan?
God only gave us free will , as for sin it is defined as an act against the will of god. We human beings sin , evil for one person may not be evil to another so the question is moot. Evil in and of itself does not truly exist, I bet all the children in the west bank believe Israel is evil, yet the children of Israel believe that the palestinians are evil who can truly be certain which is true and which is false , can you?
No. God is love and goodness. Satan is evil. Prior to the time of Christ, the OT God seems very spiteful and vengeful at times, but what good parents wouldn't punish their child for screwing up, and what other choice did He have? He has to deal with us on our level. Prior to the time of Christ, rules and regulations were the order of the day. Only after the crucifiction did God's Grace become available to us.
pretty much God is responsible.
Think about it.
He is the one who sent Lucifer out of Heaven and down to earth. Lucifer is the root of our evil in the world. Lucifer is the one who tempted Eve to eat the apple. Therefore changing our world completely.
So if Lucifer would had never been cast out of Heaven, we would know, no evil...!!
satan is evil, but god created him. if satan, one of the angels created for the exclusive purpose of serving god, could rebel against god, doesn't that imply that god can't control his creations, and thus isn't omnipotent?
Lucifer was cast out because he screwed up and tried to lead a revolt, not because God sent him on some mission he wasn't equipped to handle. If God ever made a mistake, it might have been in giving us free will, but what good would our faith be without that? We'd all be just toys, basically.
Yeah, we're getting awfully literal now. I don't believe in digging into the center of the Earth and finding Satan frozen in Cocytus, chewing on Brutus, Cassius, and Judas. He definitely has influence in this world, though, and as much as we are devoted to God, Satan is bound to trick us periodically.
yes literally.. look----3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Sorry, I don't accept that literally. I believe it is metaphor, as Satan has no literal body, and the interior of the Earth covers finite space, etc. Plus, I don't think that whether literal or figurative the issue of Satan's exact location is significant.
I'm gonna keep this short. Take it or leave it however you will. Assuming god exists, for him to not be responsible for evil he has to be lacking in any one of these three attributes to which he is described.
1: The creator of all.
Or a fourth, omnibenevolent, yes, so I hear. I hope He will be taking a few octillion questions following the Rapture; I suspect He has some otherworldlymathematical formula that explains it all. Until then, I can only say that He gave us free will, and must have felt that it was more important than for us to be perfect, blind sheep.
UL: God seems very spiteful and vengeful at times, but what good parents wouldn't punish their child for screwing up, and what other choice did He have? He has to deal with us on our level.
This is the contradiction that confuses so many people. To say this after saying that God is love and goodness. Spiteful and vengeful is not love. He is either one of the other, but not both. Spite and vengeance are expressions of fear, the opposite of love. If there was truly love and goodness, these qualities would be unconditional. If not... then I'm afraid this mythical image of God better suits the description of a devil.
We have made the image of God in our likeness as human beings, by attributing all our negative qualities to Her.
"SEEMS," Reborn, "seems." Tough love is love. Letting people get away with anything they want, regardless of how terrible it might be, makes them feel good in the short term, but it isn't doing them any favors, and it isn't what you do for people you love.
So eternal damnation is an approriate way to treat those He loves, if they happen to make a mistake or two. Doesn't sound like love to me, not even "tough love".
No one has to get away with anything, because there are consequences for every action. The world is set up perfectly that way - everything we experience in the outer world reflects our inner world. We make choices, experience the effects, and if we want to change something based on the effects, we can make a new choice. Karma and free will rolled into one.
Yes, I see your point on the word "seems, and I agree. But to me, She doesn't seem that way at all, just unconditionally loving.
My perception is of God as a whole - not of this God or that God.
I respect your pov, and have no desire to disagree or challenge what you hold dear. I'm not seeking to put down the ideas of the Christian belief in God (or any other), but perhaps to offer something new, outside the box, which can expand and improve upon what people already know, where the truth is even greater than we ever imagined. And it makes sense because it's logical!
I suggest only that you consider this: what would it mean if God was only love?