[link] so basically one guy calls a prank call into the police saying the other guy is a terrorist or something, and then the police show up and shoot him... Who's Online | Find Members | Private Messages
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Police shoot man dead after alleged Call of Duty 'swatting' hoax

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19 days ago - Saturday 12/30/17 - 4:24:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-...

so basically one guy calls a prank call into the police saying the other guy is a terrorist or something, and then the police show up and shoot him dead

so obviously the guy who made that call is a dick, but is he ultimately responsible for that guy's death? or is it the police who shot him dead based on an anonymous unverified tip?
19 days ago - Saturday 12/30/17 - 5:11:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
its cool that the police are basically on-call murderers now
19 days ago - Saturday 12/30/17 - 5:35:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
Both.

(The small cash payout in this particular match was $1.50 btw and it was the wrong address)
19 days ago - Saturday 12/30/17 - 5:42:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
(The caller knew this was possible because it has happened before and the police were seriously undertrained and why go guns blazing if there are hostages??)
19 days ago - Saturday 12/30/17 - 6:05:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
From the article:"The irresponsible actions of the prankster put people and lives at risk," said Wichita Police Department Deputy Chief Troy Livingston.
"The incident was a nightmare for everyone involved, including the family and our police department./

F-ck you. Cops aren’t the victims. Crazy stupid amateur reaction.
19 days ago - Saturday 12/30/17 - 6:12:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
Al Gore is responsible for inventing the internet
18 days ago - Saturday 12/30/17 - 6:39:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
They're both responsible. The hoaxers had intent and common sense alone dictates that the outcome should have been considered as a possibility.

Since when do cops not even bother to investigate if reports from the public are accurate?
18 days ago - Saturday 12/30/17 - 6:44:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 12/30/17 - 6:05:44 PM Abzurd wrote:
From the article:"The irresponsible actions of the prankster put people and lives at risk," said Wichita Police Department Deputy Chief Troy Livingston. "The incident was a nightmare for everyone involved, including the family and our police department./ F-ck you. Cops aren’t the victims. Crazy stupid amateur reaction.
they're scared, untrained and we're going off information that the person was a violent threat. they probably feel like absolute sht killing an innocent person.
18 days ago - Saturday 12/30/17 - 7:16:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
Who cares if they feel like sh8t? They’re still f8cking murderers.
18 days ago - Saturday 12/30/17 - 7:29:21 PM EST (GMT-5)
I kinda do... I don't like seeing untrained people given lethal weapons and sent out to kill because they're scared without even seeing a threat / weapon.
18 days ago - Saturday 12/30/17 - 11:17:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Saturday 12/30/17 - 6:05:44 PM Abzurd wrote:
From the article:"The irresponsible actions of the prankster put people and lives at risk," said Wichita Police Department Deputy Chief Troy Livingston. "The incident was a nightmare for everyone involved, including the family and our police department./ F-ck you. Cops aren’t the victims. Crazy stupid amateur reaction.
On Saturday 12/30/17 - 6:44:34 PM petitefleur wrote:
they're scared, untrained and we're going off information that the person was a violent threat. they probably feel like absolute sht killing an innocent person.

That doesn’t excuse anything. It explains, but not excuses.
18 days ago - Saturday 12/30/17 - 11:21:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't think it does either.
18 days ago - Saturday 12/30/17 - 11:33:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
(Just saying I agree that they're probably going through a nightmarish hell with knowing they've killed an innocent father. The department is probably not thrilled at all about this... I don't think they're the victims but they're totally at fault for fcking this up. They all have to live with it.

My personal feeling is that they didn't have bloodlust but they were scared af. No excuses, they should be trained and know better is all I'm saying)
18 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 12:09:58 AM EST (GMT-5)
I agree with your bloodlust point.

Semi related: the girl who encouraged her ex boyfriend to commit suicide, how much did she get?
I hope the idiot caller gets at least twice as much.
18 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 12:27:36 AM EST (GMT-5)
A guy got 8 years for conspiricy to set fire to a car.
18 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 3:51:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
Apparently the caller has a record for making two bomb scares few years ago.
18 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 6:54:30 AM EST (GMT-5)
I'm totally with petitfleur on this one.
Sure, still no excuse but I still feel there's more to blame on the callers side than on the (undertrained and whatnot blah blah ...) cops who were going in on the premise that there's a killer waiting for them.
I can totally see why the Department Deputy Chief would call this a nightmare including the police.
18 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 3:50:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
No the cops have a greater responsibility to assess the situation as they find it.

People report incidents all the time, often without much clwear idea of what is going on. Cops can't shoot first and then investigate afterwards. Reminds me of that guy who was shot in his car while his girlfriend filmed it. Oh and that innocent Black guy who was helping an autisic man having a freak out. Weapon training should start with the protocol to discharge the weapon.

You can't keep shooting people for carrying a hero sandwich.
18 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 4:20:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
So this.

The prank caller is a twat, but it’s the guy with the gun who shoulders the responsibility.
17 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 9:08:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
yeah the police should possess the ability to not shoot their gun if theyre going to have guns, and an ability to examine a situation just even the very slightest amount wouldnt go amiss at all

i get it, hard job and tough calls and stuff but see this is the deal right, nobody made them be police. thats part of the goddamn job. hell even private armed citizens are held to some standard of use of force and even if it aint much, its still a literally infinite amount more than the average cop has to worry on before they start blastin mfers away. hell up until like five years ago 'he wasnt white' was a legitimate reason to turn some brains out

this is a systemic problem and i know im not helping it any at all with this here post that if a police saw it would only cement the us versus them even harder


17 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 9:11:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
but i mean f*ck they shot at a retarded guy who had a toy car that time. MISSED HIM and hit his handler who was literally screaming what the situation was directly to the police, while they were both lying down

i know thats an old case but it sticks out in my mind because if you can read those words and not be struck dumb by the sheer ridiculousness of it all i dont know what to say. the most retarded part was police and their apologizers were insisting that this was all perfectly okay and that idk i guess that dude shouldnt have been helping mentally ill folks if he didnt want to get shot
17 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 9:16:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
haha i didnt even see boreds second part of that
17 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 9:31:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
The craziest thing is there are people defending the police on this because the guy they shot "ignored warnings to put his hands up" and "appeared to reach for his waistband." I'm still facebook friends with some dudes from my high school class who are cops, and they are legitimately saying the police reacted properly according to what they knew.

They expect innocent civilians to have perfect situational awareness after walking out their front door to find a group of cops surrounding the house for seemingly no reason. But they don't hold the actual (supposedly trained) police to any type of standard of not knee-jerk firing on people.
17 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 10:53:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
The police have a protocol to follow, I'm not sure on the specifics for these officers.

The guy on the phone did not say someone else was a threat. He claimed he was in the house with the gun and had already killed someone and had two hostages. He said he'd doused the house in a fire and might light it.

I read something the swatter said when he has to spoof the calls so it doesn't look like someone from another state.

So the cops are arriving at a situation where they believe the perpetrator has already murdered one person and is prepared to burn the down the house with hostages inside.

17 days ago - Sunday 12/31/17 - 10:53:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
That is pretty crazy. My close circle of friends right now are police officers. We all game together, actually! They're all in the mindset that the officer that fired the gun should definitely be charged.

Tbh I have been more sympathetic than they have...

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