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2 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 1/24/11 - 1:35:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
Okay, so I've been down and out with this mild sickness that keeps coming and going for about a week... In the mean time I've been taken to watching The Nostalgia critic, and in a round about way wound up watching his female counterpart to see if she was enjoyable as well. So I watched her latest installment on the 5th Element and decided she was mostly right on but was just a tad on the shallow side. But her Critique of Dune was an abomination upon the entire human race. I figured she was bashing it because she had only seen the movie but she went and read the book and apparently STILL DIDN'T UNDERSTAND... And on a certain level, that just makes me furious. I mean, the movie... Sure, it's choppy and incoherant. But Dune the book was AMAZING, and is the basis for every work off sci-fi |
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2 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 1/24/11 - 1:39:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
post Star Trek. If you like Science Fiction AT ALL, you owe Dune. Hell, if you like Star Wars that's DOUBLE POINTS, because Star Wars came ripped off from 2 things: Hidden Fortress and Dune.
I just find that really irritating that someone could look at something like Dune, the book, and say "Oh hey, this is the basis for EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD AND DECENT" and have a negative response and then say anything but "So what's wrong with me?"
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2 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 1/24/11 - 1:42:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
I loved Dune. I remember starting to read it, and not understanding at all what was going on, because I was just plopped down in the middle of some planet, somewhere, and it was all confusing.
But I kept reading, and suddenly everything fell into place.
It's an AMAZING book.
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2 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 1/24/11 - 1:42:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
I love sci fi.
Never liked Dune much.
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2 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 1/24/11 - 1:45:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 1/24/11 - 1:42:49 PM EhFahQ wrote:
I love sci fi. Never liked Dune much. |
But you at least read it and can see it's influence in just about everything you've read past 1970, yes?
I can understand not LIKING IT, I can't understand saying it's bad or poorly written. |
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2 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 1/24/11 - 1:48:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
No, not everything sci fi related. Thats a broad brush.
It was just never was my cup of tea.
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2 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 1/24/11 - 1:53:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
Maybe not the cyber punk era directly, but even that I would think started as sort of a reaction to the idea that Dune had where computers were banned.
I dunno, when I reread Dune, I see the Genesis of themes and ideas and offshoots in a way that I don't see with Bradbury or Asimov or Clark (while being willing to grant that it could be that their standards are just so unchallenged and ironclad that maybe I'm granting them a given status).
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2 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 1/24/11 - 2:09:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think of Dune as soft scifi, and Clark and Asimov more in the hard scifi catagory...
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2 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 1/24/11 - 2:13:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 1/24/11 - 2:09:13 PM lapislazuli wrote:
I think of Dune as soft scifi, and Clark and Asimov more in the hard scifi catagory... |
I sorta think of it the other way around.
Maybe it's just because Frank Herbert was very wordy. |
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2 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 1/24/11 - 2:19:59 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 1/24/11 - 2:13:14 PM emoafterall wrote:
I sorta think of it the other way around. Maybe it's just because Frank Herbert was very wordy. |
Hard vs. soft scifi is a grading of realism. It's about how accurate and true the science part of the story is at the time it was written. |
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2 yrs ago, 4 mos ago - Monday 1/24/11 - 3:45:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 1/24/11 - 2:13:14 PM emoafterall wrote:
I sorta think of it the other way around. Maybe it's just because Frank Herbert was very wordy. |
On Monday 1/24/11 - 2:19:59 PM lapislazuli wrote:
Hard vs. soft scifi is a grading of realism. It's about how accurate and true the science part of the story is at the time it was written. |
I don't really see the distinction. Take Asimov's 6 part foundation series and Herbert's 6 part Dune series... I don't think either is more realistic than the other, and I don't think either deals with hard science or soft science more realistically than the other. Asimov says one thing about human nature, Herbert says another. |
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