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Deutsche Bank suggests "work from home" tax to support non-work from home employees

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15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:35:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
Employees who choose to work remotely should pay a tax to help those workers on low incomes who cannot, said a research note from Deutsche Bank.

According to the research report titled "What We Must Do to Rebuild," employees who work from home receive immediate financial benefits, including reduced costs for travel, food and clothing.

The report suggests the employer would pay the tax if it does not provide the worker with a permanent desk. Otherwise, the employee would pay the tax.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:43:10 PM EST (GMT-5)
I had to laugh at that.

In the UK, the Tories would hand that money over to their landlord chums to make up for the commercial rents they're losing out on. Not one penny would go to workers on low incomes.

Also, working from home benefits the environment, can improve family life and certainly saves people money. Why should they be punished for that?
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:46:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
Working from home is typically considered a benefit that among other things, saves people money. Having them pay a tax on that is not a punishment, but rather an 'equalization of benefits' with those that cannot work from home...
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:48:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
Shouldn't the market decide?
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:55:30 PM EST (GMT-5)
I've heard you say many times over the years that if people don't like the terms and conditions of their jobs, they should retrain and get jobs that have Ts & Cs they DO like. What's changed?
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:55:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
What exactly is the 'market' here?
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:57:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:46:48 PM CowDung wrote:
Working from home is typically considered a benefit that among other things, saves people money. Having them pay a tax on that is not a punishment, but rather an 'equalization of benefits' with those that cannot work from home...


isn't automation going to junk a lot of food service jobs in the near future?

also, i'm not sure how they're going to handle people who go in to the office once or twice a week as opposed to those who work from home full-time.
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:57:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:55:30 PM Guilty_Spark wrote:
I've heard you say many times over the years that if people don't like the terms and conditions of their jobs, they should retrain and get jobs that have Ts & Cs they DO like. What's changed?


Who are you suggesting to change jobs? The ones working from home and are potentially paying a tax or the ones that cannot?
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:58:28 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:57:12 PM Inquizitor2 wrote:
also, i'm not sure how they're going to handle people who go in to the office once or twice a week as opposed to those who work from home full-time.


Prorate the tax according to the percentage of time spent at home?
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:13:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:55:42 PM CowDung wrote:
What exactly is the 'market' here?


The Labour market
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:17:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:55:42 PM CowDung wrote:
What exactly is the 'market' here?
On Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:13:39 PM Guilty_Spark wrote:
The Labour market


OK...

On Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:57:19 PM CowDung wrote:
Who are you suggesting to change jobs? The ones working from home and are potentially paying a tax or the ones that cannot?

15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:18:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think I'm totally missing your point, assuming you have one...
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:19:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:55:30 PM Guilty_Spark wrote:
I've heard you say many times over the years that if people don't like the terms and conditions of their jobs, they should retrain and get jobs that have Ts & Cs they DO like. What's changed?
On Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:57:19 PM CowDung wrote:
Who are you suggesting to change jobs? The ones working from home and are potentially paying a tax or the ones that cannot?


Oh no no, if you want the benefits of working from home then you retrain and get a job that allows you to do so.

Those were your smartarse words some years ago when arguing against increasing minimum wage. You argued that if people were unhappy with what their employer was offering, they should change jobs.

How is this different?
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:21:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yes, if someone wants the benefits of working from home, they should find a job that allows them to do so.

I don't know what this has to do with the proposed tax.
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:29:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
The idea here is that the 'working from home' jobs used to be regular 'at work' jobs before Covid. The workers that are now working from home didn't have to take a pay cut yet still get to enjoy the cost savings. Those that aren't working from home can change jobs if they want to work from home, or they can stay and benefit from the tax on those that work from home.
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:36:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
Because the tax will not benefit those those on low incomes. That's straight up bullsh*t. The only people who'll ever see that money are governments and maybe commercial landlords renting out office space or the owners of large convenience lunch chains.

Why should people subsidise capitilists who have made poor investments? I would have thought you would be against corporate welfare.

And why should people working from home be punished for making career decisions that benefit them financially and benefit the environment?

A fair rate.of income tax is one thing, I'll never argue against that, but taxing people for not keeping Pret a Manger afloat? Ridiculous.
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:40:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:35:54 PM Inquizitor2 wrote:
Employees who choose to work remotely should pay a tax to help those workers on low incomes who cannot]

I think there's two mistakes in that idea:
1. those who actually *choose* to work remotely are probably a minority. Those who are actually *sent* home are - from what I see around here - the majority.
2. at least over here taxes are not bound to a cause so the money that will come in will generally benefit the budget and thus all the citizens but not specifically employees that cannot work from home.
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:40:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
Taxes don't get paid to the employees that aren't working from home? Seems like the first line on this thread is very misleading if that's the case.

"Employees who choose to work remotely should pay a tax to help those workers on low incomes who cannot,"
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:41:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
Oh, I see GS covered part of that already.
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:45:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:36:33 PM Guilty_Spark wrote:
...And why should people working from home be punished for making career decisions that benefit them financially and benefit the environment?

Infact, in the current situation the personal financial benefit and the environmental effect are only minor aspects; the reason why so many people (choose to?) work from home is to slow down the pandemia and making life safer for everybody - including (and possibly especially for) those who do not work from home.
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:48:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:41:03 PM Matthias wrote:
Oh, I see GS covered part of that already.


Yeah, it's a fantasy Deutsche Bank used to try and sell the idea. The fact that it was a bank pushing it was the part that made me laugh, like they give a crap about people on low incomes.

Must be worried companies are going to default on their loans and they'll be left holding commercial properties that suddenly aren't worth all that much. Their solution is, of course, to pick the pockets of ordinary people.
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:53:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
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On Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:45:39 PM Matthias wrote:
Infact, in the current situation the personal financial benefit and the environmental effect are only minor aspects; the reason why so many people (choose to?) work from home is to slow down the pandemia and making life safer for everybody - including (and possibly especially for) those who do not work from home.


LiJas has been doing so since March, I have recently started doing so.

Certainly feel safer avoiding the herds, it's certainly cheaper, but for us the environmental impact is minimal as we both walked to work.
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 6:00:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/12/20 - 4:57:12 PM Inquizitor2 wrote:
isn't automation going to junk a lot of food service jobs in the near future?


In central Amsterdam you can buy a burger from a vending machine.... pretty sure those machines have been there for a good twenty years though.

On Thursday 11/12/20 - 5:53:22 PM Guilty_Spark wrote:
Certainly feel safer avoiding the herds,

It is. Only lasted one week back after half term before I was out with COVID. Working in the office if you have the option to work from home is madness.
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 6:05:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
You don't save money working from home. You spend more on beer and weed than you would to drive your car to and from work. Well, that's what I heard anyway.
15 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 6:23:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
Self employed workers can claim an allowance for using their home as a place of business.

It seems strange to try to reverse this policy for employees.

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