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18 days ago - Monday 11/9/20 - 4:03:46 PM EST (GMT-5)
Looks like the final slaughter has begun:
Trump announced on Twitter Monday that he has fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, and that Christopher Miller, who serves as director of the National Counterterrorism Center, will become acting secretary "effective immediately."
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Esper had been on shaky ground with the White House for months, a rift that deepened after he said in June that he did not support using active-duty troops to quell the large-scale protests across the United States triggered by the death of George Floyd at the hands of police. Esper also said military forces should be used in a law enforcement role only as a last resort.


[yes, this is a repost because I messed up the title of the original thread ... ]
18 days ago - Monday 11/9/20 - 4:19:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
one of the reasons i didn't vote for trump is because he doesn't show restraint. he just talks without thinking. while some people may consider that a virtue, i believe it's going to bite you in the ass in the end.
18 days ago - Monday 11/9/20 - 5:39:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's not remotely clear that Miller is legally eligible to be the Secretary of Defense, btw.
18 days ago - Monday 11/9/20 - 7:24:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
I have not seen anything reported about him not being 'legally eligible' to be SoD. What disqualifies him?
18 days ago - Monday 11/9/20 - 8:39:03 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 11/9/20 - 7:24:42 PM CowDung wrote:
I have not seen anything reported about him not being 'legally eligible' to be SoD. What disqualifies him?


1) the Vacancies Reform Act allows someone to take over as an acting officer if the previous officer “ dies, resigns, or is otherwise unable to perform the functions and duties of the office.” It does not mention if what happens when an officer is fired, as is the case with Esper, and this has not been litigated. There is good reason to believe that the law doesn’t apply when someone has been fired because such an interpretation would essentially allow POTUS to get around the Constitution’s requirement that an officer be approved by the Senate.
2) the Vacancies Reform Act requires that the next assistant to the officer become acting officer. In this case, that’s Deputy Defense Secretary David Norquist.
18 days ago - Monday 11/9/20 - 8:46:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
Thanks
18 days ago - Tuesday 11/10/20 - 3:54:25 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Monday 11/9/20 - 8:39:03 PM Courtbebe wrote:
1) the Vacancies Reform Act allows someone to take over as an acting officer if the previous officer “ dies, resigns, or is otherwise unable to perform the functions and duties of the office.” It does not mention if what happens when an officer is fired, as is the case with Esper, and this has not been litigated. There is good reason to believe that the law doesn’t apply when someone has been fired because such an interpretation would essentially allow POTUS to get around the Constitution’s requirement that an officer be approved by the Senate. 2) the Vacancies Reform Act requires that the next assistant to the officer become acting officer. In this case, that’s Deputy Defense Secretary David Norquist.

So, from a Trump POV, what's wrong with Norquist?
18 days ago - Tuesday 11/10/20 - 5:55:41 AM EST (GMT-5)
Trump can't spell or pronounce his name?
18 days ago - Tuesday 11/10/20 - 7:36:24 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 11/10/20 - 3:54:25 AM Matthias wrote:
So, from a Trump POV, what's wrong with Norquist?


Because he thinks Miller will be willing to do something that Norquist won’t and Esper wouldn’t.

I’m not sure what that is, but Esper wouldn’t agree to invoke the Insurrection Act to use the US military as law enforcement on US soil.

Trump has also expressed interest in removing the US military from Afghanistan completely, which is pretty controversial.

Additionally, there are 2 other laws that making Miller acting Secretary might violate. The first is 10 USC 132(b) which is a DOD law that specifically requires the Deputy Secretary of Defense to take over as acting Secretary. There is also a law that restricts any veteran who served within 7 years from serving as Secretary of Defense. The law doesn’t specifically say that the acting Secretary can’t have served
18 days ago - Tuesday 11/10/20 - 7:37:25 AM EST (GMT-5)
within the last 7 years. If the law was interpreted to apply to acting Secretaries, as well, then Miller would be ineligible because he only retired in 2014.
17 days ago - Tuesday 11/10/20 - 2:38:57 PM EST (GMT-5)
The acting undersecretary of defense for policy, James Anderson, resigned on Tuesday, adding to worries that he is only the beginning of an exodus at the Pentagon in the aftermath of Defense Secretary Mark Esper's firing
Anderson is technically the confirmed deputy undersecretary for policy, but has been acting in the top job. His resignation was expected, since he's reportedly "pushed back on several Trump loyalists the White House tried to install at [the Defense Department],"
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Esper warned in his departing letter about the dangers of having "yes men" in the Defense Department.
17 days ago - Tuesday 11/10/20 - 6:16:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
Multiple other changes in civilian leadership today:

A notorious Devin Nunes aide was made DOD chief of staff

Anthony Tata was put in charge of pentagon policy. Tata is a virulent islamophobe who called Obama "a terrorist leader" and said John Brennan should be executed. Even the GOP wouldn't confirm him.

Ezra Cohen-Watnick is now undersecretary for intelligence at DOD. He's a former Flynn aide with strong ties to Steve Bannon.

These are incredibly dangerous, conspiracy-minded people. This is a coup.
17 days ago - Wednesday 11/11/20 - 12:00:59 AM EST (GMT-5)
17 days ago - Wednesday 11/11/20 - 1:26:28 AM EST (GMT-5)
I did always wonder how the end of democracy in the US would happen.
17 days ago - Wednesday 11/11/20 - 5:39:23 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 11/10/20 - 6:16:34 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Multiple other changes in civilian leadership today: A notorious Devin Nunes aide was made DOD chief of staff Anthony Tata was put in charge of pentagon policy. Tata is a virulent islamophobe who called Obama "a terrorist leader" and said John Brennan should be executed. Even the GOP wouldn't confirm him. Ezra Cohen-Watnick is now undersecretary for intelligence at DOD. He's a former Flynn aide with strong ties to Steve Bannon. These are incredibly dangerous, conspiracy-minded people. This is a coup.

Deep State!
17 days ago - Wednesday 11/11/20 - 5:44:55 AM EST (GMT-5)
Let's look at another perspective to all this.

People are resigning from the government because they have a political future to consider post Trump. Some are hanging in there because they are too invested in the current administration and they are being promoted up the line.

So there is a greater separation between the militant radicals backing Trump and the moderate Conservatives who are distancing themselves from this insanity.

When you see the declarations that all legal votes must be counted, these are fence sitters who are actually saying Trump must prove votes are illegal before they can be discounted.

The CONSERVATIVE faction, the one with the vast amounts of influence and money will close ranks against the populist martinet to demonstrate that Democracy is safe in their patriarchal hands.
17 days ago - Wednesday 11/11/20 - 5:46:01 AM EST (GMT-5)
If the Trumpists try to push it you could, see a third party formed by the extreme right and a more Centrist GOP claiming the moderate centre. Big money isn't going to back a Trump revolution.
16 days ago - Wednesday 11/11/20 - 4:03:50 PM EST (GMT-5)
Republicans will never form a third party because that only results in splitting the Republican vote and allowing the Democrats to win.
16 days ago - Wednesday 11/11/20 - 4:10:09 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 11/11/20 - 4:03:50 PM Noldor wrote:
Republicans will never form a third party because that only results in splitting the Republican vote and allowing the Democrats to win.


It's no different on the other side with the 'Socialist' wing separating from the 'Moderate Left'- - they wouldn't be willing to split the Dem vote.
16 days ago - Wednesday 11/11/20 - 4:13:47 PM EST (GMT-5)
Exactly. Ralph Nader ruined it for Al Gore.
16 days ago - Wednesday 11/11/20 - 4:14:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
Not saying either was a Socialist, just that it can happen either on the left or the right.
16 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 2:48:56 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 11/11/20 - 4:03:50 PM Noldor wrote:
Republicans will never form a third party because that only results in splitting the Republican vote and allowing the Democrats to win.


Trump isn't a Republican. At this point he's a wild card revolutionary.
16 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 2:55:25 AM EST (GMT-5)
All a party needs to win is enough votes.

If there was a far right party then the Republicans can adopt a more centrist position to attract more moderate votes.

Tony Blair did a similar thing here to win 3 elections after the Left wing Labour party lost 4 straight Elections.
16 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 9:10:02 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 11/12/20 - 2:48:56 AM Boredofu wrote:
Trump isn't a Republican.


Trump IS a Republican, or at least the opinions, values, and policies he expresses publicly are in keeping with the party's. It is a huge mistake to think that he's some aberration that's come out of nowhere, rather than the logical conclusion of 50+ years of Republicanism. He's what they want. At best, some are slightly bothered by how often he says the quiet parts loud (though not usually bothered enough to not vote for him or support his policies/nominees).

If you're referring to the idea that high-profile elected Republicans aren't backing him in this wild fantasy about a stolen election, you're completely wrong. Those who've publicly come out against him on this are making news precisely because there are so few of them.
16 days ago - Thursday 11/12/20 - 9:12:04 AM EST (GMT-5)
The majority of extremely powerful Republicans have done one of three things:

1. Explicitly backed Trump in this coup attempt.
2. Issued statements that are so weaselly in their wording as to be completely useless, or implicitly backed him (e.g. "we should count all LEGAL votes" - - implying that there are any significant number of ILLEGAL votes).
3. Said nothing at all, i.e. tacit approval.

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