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20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 1:20:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
President Trump, who has frequently criticized mail-in voting, on Wednesday took his attacks on the process a step further, telling supporters in North Carolina they should go to polls even after voting by mail to "make sure it counted."

Voting twice would be a felony under North Carolina law — as is inducing someone to vote twice — warned Karen Brinson Bell, executive director of the North Carolina State Board of Elections, who issued a statement Thursday morning.

"The State Board has a dedicated investigations team that investigates allegations of double voting, which are referred to prosecutors when warranted," said Bell.

20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 1:21:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
The warning came after Trump told a group of supporters in Wilmington, N.C., airport: "If you get the unsolicited ballots, send it in, and then go — make sure it counted. And if it doesn't tabulate, you vote. You just vote. And then if they tabulate it very late, which they shouldn't be doing, they'll see you voted, and so it won't count. So, send it in early, and then go and vote. And if it's not tabulated — you vote. And the vote is going to count," Trump said.

On Thursday, White House spokesman Judd Deere, in a statement, denied that Trump was urging people to vote twice and said the news media was taking his remarks out of context.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/03/9091...
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 1:30:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
How else is he going to be able to claim election vote fraud when he loses?
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 1:37:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's like he doesn't WANT to be president
So he's actively trying to lose
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 1:52:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
Vote early. Vote often.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 1:57:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 9/3/20 - 1:37:01 PM redreine wrote:
It's like he doesn't WANT to be president So he's actively trying to lose


That's what people said before the last election...
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 1:59:24 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 9/3/20 - 1:30:04 PM CowDung wrote:
How else is he going to be able to claim election vote fraud when he loses?

No better way to have voter fraud than to actually cause it. And, of course, he'll want a mostly white area in a red state to get more votes counted.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 2:06:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 9/3/20 - 1:30:04 PM CowDung wrote:
How else is he going to be able to claim election vote fraud when he loses?
On Thursday 9/3/20 - 1:59:24 PM postallbear wrote:
No better way to have voter fraud than to actually cause it. And, of course, he'll want a mostly white area in a red state to get more votes counted.


It certainly makes it far easier to prove...
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 2:16:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
" if they tabulate it very late, which they shouldn't be doing, they'll see you voted, and so it won't count."

Doesn't sound like he wants people to vote twice. Sounds like he's worried some votes won't be tabulated.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 2:28:07 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 9/3/20 - 2:16:22 PM Noldor wrote:
" if they tabulate it very late, which they shouldn't be doing, they'll see you voted, and so it won't count." Doesn't sound like he wants people to vote twice. Sounds like he's worried some votes won't be tabulated.

No, it sounds like he's trying to cast doubt on results that don't come in on election night. Which many won't, because we'll almost certainly have a record number of people voting by mail.

His entire game is to delegitimize mail-in voting and sow doubt in the system. It's f*cking disgusting and any reasonable person would immediately condemn him for it.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 2:29:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
If you are encouraging people to vote by mail and then also go vote at the polls, you are encouraging them to try to vote twice. It's a felony for them to do it, and it's a felony for him to induce anyone to vote twice.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 3:20:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
"they'll see you voted, and so it won't count."

Is this true or not?
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 4:11:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
Considering voting is done differently in different states, how does that not sound like a mess to you?
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 4:38:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 9/3/20 - 3:20:29 PM Noldor wrote:
"they'll see you voted, and so it won't count." Is this true or not?

No. Michigan and North Carolina election officials reminded citizens Thursday that voting twice is illegal and they could be prosecuted after President Donald Trump encouraged voters to do so.

The warnings come after Trump, while speaking to reporters Wednesday in Wilmington, North Carolina, encouraged voters to test the state's voting system when asked if he was confident in the state's mail-in voting system. Vote-by-mail has become a key issue in the lead up to the 2020 election as many states are resorting to an increase in voting by mail amid fears of spreading coronavirus at the polls.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 4:39:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel on Thursday retweeted a news article about the President's remarks and wrote "don't try this at home."

"Hey folks. Attorney General Nessel here-top law enforcement official in Michigan, for those keeping track. Don't try this at home. I will prosecute you," she tweeted.

"Also, this might be a good time to remind people not to drink bleach," she added in reference to a moment earlier this year when Trump suggested sunlight and ingesting disinfectants could help cure coronavirus.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 4:39:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
Karen Brinson Bell, executive director of the North Carolina State Board of Elections, also sent a message to North Carolina residents reminding them that voting twice is illegal and is a Class 1 felony in the state.

"Attempting to vote twice in an election or soliciting someone to do so also is a violation of North Carolina law," Brinson Bell said in a statement, adding that there are procedures in place that prevent double voting. "Electronic pollbooks with information about who has already voted are used at every early voting site. If a voter tries to check in who has already voted, they will be prevented from voting a regular ballot."
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 5:33:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
"there are procedures in place that prevent double voting"

So yes, they will catch it and the vote won't count. (And yes, it is illegal.)
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 6:48:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
This was on the radio earlier. From what I understand he was not telling people to do this but he was just saying if it works correctly, the system would catch a duplicate vote.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 6:49:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 9/3/20 - 1:30:04 PM CowDung wrote:
How else is he going to be able to claim election vote fraud when he loses?


He is not going to lose. I cannot wait for November to come and go so we can all move on.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 6:55:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
There are many unsatisfied people right now, so I wouldn't count on him winning, even though the Republicans do their best to cheat constantly.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 7:09:49 PM EST (GMT-5)

I really don't understand how you can read "If you get the unsolicited ballots, send it in, and then go — make sure it counted. And if it doesn't tabulate, you vote. You just vote. And then if they tabulate it very late, which they shouldn't be doing, they'll see you voted, and so it won't count. So, send it in early, and then go and vote.". And come to this conclusion.

On Thursday 9/3/20 - 6:48:55 PM Damsel wrote:
This was on the radio earlier. From what I understand he was not telling people to do this but he was just saying if it works correctly, the system would catch a duplicate vote.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 7:13:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
Trump doesn't understand how voting works himself, which is more than evident.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 7:13:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 9/3/20 - 6:48:55 PM Damsel wrote:
This was on the radio earlier. From what I understand he was not telling people to do this but he was just saying if it works correctly, the system would catch a duplicate vote.


No, he definitely told people to vote twice. He said people who vote by mail should then go vote in-person. He said if the mailed-in ballot gets tabulated then the in-person vote doesn’t count.

https://twitter.com/channel4news/st...

What he is proposing is voting twice. It’s a crime. It’s not a defense to say you thought your second vote wouldn’t count or that PITUS told you to do it.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 7:24:00 PM EST (GMT-5)
I must agree with Courtbebe. It’s illegal to vote twice and has always been. The system is designed for one vote per person with safeguards to prevent double-voting.
20 days ago - Thursday 9/3/20 - 7:26:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
From your link, he says if your vote doesn’t get tabulated then you vote again to make sure your ONE vote gets counted.

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