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Bristol England. Slave trader statue meets a watery end

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1 month ago - Sunday 6/7/20 - 4:29:05 PM EST (GMT-5)
A statue of Edward Colston, who was a key figure in the African slave trade and a major philanthropist in the city of Bristol has been torn down by protesters and dragged through the streets to be dumped in the harbour https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/0...
1 month ago - Sunday 6/7/20 - 5:07:37 PM EST (GMT-5)
I enjoyed watching that video.
1 month ago - Sunday 6/7/20 - 6:30:40 PM EST (GMT-5)
Nice protest.
Being philanthropic with money earned trading slaves is not an overall good so drat him and his philanthropy.
1 month ago - Monday 6/8/20 - 9:26:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
It probably would have been taken down before too long if this hadn't happened. Bristol is a liberal city, and a lot of people don't like Colston's name being everywhere.

There's a music venue not much more than a stone's throw away from the statue called Colston hall.They're currently renovating and had (prior to this) planned to change their name when they reopen. They made sure to reiterate that this morning...
1 month ago - Wednesday 6/10/20 - 3:22:39 AM EST (GMT-5)
There had been a campaign to have this statue removed for 15 years. there was 2 attempts to have a plaque added to give more perspective to the background of this man but both were mired in local political laisse faire.

A further statue to a character, Robert Milligan involved in the slave trade was removed from the London docklands yesterday and the long running campaign to have a very prominent statue of Cecil Rhodes to be removed from an Oxford college is gathering momentum. The London Mayor has promised a review of all London statues.
A statue of Sir Thomas Picton the most senior Officer to die at Waterloo has been proposed after years of campaigning due to his cruelty to slaves during his governorship of Trinidad, which included a conviction of torturing a 14 year old free Mulatto girl for information regarding a burglary.
1 month ago - Friday 6/12/20 - 7:26:08 AM EST (GMT-5)
I think it's a good thing that these things and these people are being discussed. It's about time to have a good number of these statues removed and put somewhere else, not in public but still publicly accessible with some information to put them and their personal history in context.
However, I feel like all this tearing down and destroying is getting a bit out of hand. I f you were to remove every statue or picture or other public reminder of people from the pre-20th centuries that owned slaves, were chauvinists, imperialists, colonialists or whatever we find objectionable from our modern perspective, you'd have to erase good parts of (bnot only) western history from the public eye.
The other day they tore down a Columbus statue in Minneapolis. Perhaps a fair move for a Native American. But for anybody else ...?
1 month ago - Friday 6/12/20 - 7:29:09 AM EST (GMT-5)
I see the issue was already adressed in the Robert E. Lee thread.
29 days ago - Friday 6/12/20 - 12:20:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
I mean, Columbus was viewed as a villain by his contemporaries. There was an investigation into the atrocities he carried out. There were witnesses. He was arrested.

It’s weird that a statue of him was even created in the first place. It seems like an attempt to whitewash his actions.
29 days ago - Friday 6/12/20 - 12:38:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
He probably got some help from the Godfather and got all those 'little details' taken care of...

29 days ago - Friday 6/12/20 - 12:45:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 6/12/20 - 12:20:11 PM Courtbebe wrote:
I mean, Columbus was viewed as a villain by his contemporaries. There was an investigation into the atrocities he carried out. There were witnesses. He was arrested. It’s weird that a statue of him was even created in the first place. It seems like an attempt to whitewash his actions.

No doubt Columbus wasn't one of the good guys. And, as I said, I'm not opposed to getting rid of public statues etc. of (at best) shady historical figures. I'm just not sure I like the way some people are going on about it. Tearing down and sinking them in the harbour doesn't appear to me as a proper way to deal with one's own history.
29 days ago - Friday 6/12/20 - 12:46:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
Sure, there's examples like Germany after WW2 where it would have been strange to not get rid of Nazi monuments. But we also have seen a couple of iconoclasms like after the after reformation and the 30-years war or more recently during the Chinese or Kambodian (culture) revolutions that were too radical for my liking. And no, I wouldn't want to say that what's happening thesedays is on the same levela as these latter examples. I just think, as this is a dealing with a part of history that happened really a long time ago, people could deal with the issue a little less violent.
29 days ago - Friday 6/12/20 - 12:46:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
sorry for the typos and stuff
29 days ago - Friday 6/12/20 - 3:33:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
They have since fished it out of the river - it's going to be cleaned and put in a museum.
29 days ago - Friday 6/12/20 - 3:44:45 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 6/12/20 - 3:33:55 PM Floor Demon wrote:
They have since fished it out of the river - it's going to be cleaned and put in a museum.

With a plaque explaining what an asshole he was? And that being an asshole was somewhat socially acceptable due to the norms of the day?
29 days ago - Friday 6/12/20 - 5:15:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 6/12/20 - 3:33:55 PM Floor Demon wrote:
They have since fished it out of the river - it's going to be cleaned and put in a museum.
On Friday 6/12/20 - 3:44:45 PM postallbear wrote:
With a plaque explaining what an asshole he was? And that being an asshole was somewhat socially acceptable due to the norms of the day?

You think explaining such things is a bad thing to do?
29 days ago - Friday 6/12/20 - 6:54:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
Not at all. If they display it, they should include honest background. Much like any statue or memorial.
I didn't phrase it nicely. I'm not a nice person. Don't build a statue of me.
28 days ago - Sunday 6/14/20 - 3:36:48 AM EST (GMT-5)
This weekend white activists from a loose association of the English Defence League of Tommy Robinson and Britain First " Football Lads Alliance" and the "Democratic Football Lads Alliance" (splitters!)
descended on London and other cities to "defend statues" Generally what followed was a series of attacks against the police by this confederation of right wing white mob. I couldn't help thinking this is not going to end well for some of them who venture into South London. The iconic image of the day was a bloodied white protester being rescued from the crowd by a stocky Black protester and carried to the police line over his shoulder.


28 days ago - Sunday 6/14/20 - 4:09:41 AM EST (GMT-5)
Meanwhile the bandwagon on "banning statues" has enviably run out of control with the calls to removes statues of Sir Robert Peel in a case of mistaken identity.

Peel was a moderate Tory with Liberal tendencies who founded the modern Conservative Party. He created the Metropolitan Police, banned the employment of women and children in mines, Created laws over employment in Factories and abolished the laws protecting the price of wheat in Britain. His father, also Robert Peel, however was a firm opponent of the abolitionist movement,
24 days ago - Wednesday 6/17/20 - 3:32:06 PM EST (GMT-5)
There can be only one...

https://fox6now.com/2020/06/10/chri...

"Boston police launched an investigation Wednesday after the city’s Christopher Columbus statue was beheaded overnight.

Images taken at Christopher Columbus Park Wednesday morning show the head of the monument lying on the ground next to its base, surrounded by crime scene tape."
24 days ago - Wednesday 6/17/20 - 3:46:14 PM EST (GMT-5)
Boston England?
24 days ago - Wednesday 6/17/20 - 3:56:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
Nah, Massachusetts.

This has become the offensive statue from anywhere thread I guess.
24 days ago - Wednesday 6/17/20 - 4:04:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
They were talking about Columbus a few posts above, weren't they?
24 days ago - Thursday 6/18/20 - 7:25:27 AM EST (GMT-5)
So the long contentious statue of Cecil Rhodes is going to be removed from Oxford University.

Rhodes singerly handedly tried to stat a war with the Cape colony in South Africa to steal the gold fields. Stripping his colony in what became Northern Rhodesia of able bodied men he induced an uprising of the Matabele tribe and he 2nd Matabele war. His raid into the Cape was a cause of he 2nd Boer war, The money he donated to the Oxford college has exulted in many scholarships for African students.



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