[link] F*cking finally. Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam is expected to announce plans Thursday to remove one of the country’s most iconic monuments to the Confederacy, a statue of Gen. Robert... Who's Online | Find Members | Private Messages
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Virginia to remove giant Robert E. Lee statue from Richmond's Monument Ave.

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1 month ago - Thursday 6/4/20 - 11:20:45 AM EST (GMT-5)
https://apnews.com/75e6f0d57a896207...


F*cking finally.

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam is expected to announce plans Thursday to remove one of the country’s most iconic monuments to the Confederacy, a statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee along Richmond’s prominent Monument Avenue, a senior administration official told The Associated Press.

Also on Wednesday, Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney announced plans to seek the removal of the other Confederate monuments along Monument Avenue, which include statues of Confederate President Jefferson Davis and Confederate Gens. Stonewall Jackson and J.E.B. Stuart. Those statues sit on city land, unlike the Lee statue, which is on state property.
1 month ago - Thursday 6/4/20 - 11:58:04 AM EST (GMT-5)

1 month ago - Thursday 6/4/20 - 12:31:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
About time.
1 month ago - Thursday 6/4/20 - 12:54:26 PM EST (GMT-5)
Bet the people who show up to protest this action will be armed and encounter police who look like Barney Fife as opposed to the protesters of police brutality who are mostly unarmed and encounter something akin to Army Rangers.

It is a good thing to remove these memorials to "state's rights and heritage" (to own slaves)
1 month ago - Thursday 6/4/20 - 2:02:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
Oh it's gonna be a sh*tshow. They can't even really take it down in the dead of night without people noticing until it's too late (like some places have done) because of the sheer *size* of the thing. In total, with the pedestal [which is staying], it's six STORIES high. I mean the scale of it is hard to even grasp until you see it in person. Lee is only ~14 ft., but he's way up there. It's gonna be a huge job to get him down.

Mayor Stoney is also working to have the other Confederates removed from Monument Ave. - Lee is on state land (a ~100 sq. ft. island of land in the middle of the city). That was one way the original erectors tried to make sure it would never come down - by not giving the city the power to do anything with it. And, like a lot of these "memorials," it was put up in the late 1800s - in the thick of Jim Crow.
1 month ago - Thursday 6/4/20 - 2:10:12 PM EST (GMT-5)
Are there any plans to replace these statues? Maybe with statues of Grant, Lincoln, Frederick Douglass?
1 month ago - Thursday 6/4/20 - 2:14:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Thursday 6/4/20 - 2:10:12 PM Noldor wrote:
Are there any plans to replace these statues? Maybe with statues of Grant, Lincoln, Frederick Douglass?


No. The plan as of right now is to remove Lee, and they aren't even sure yet where he'll end up (going into storage as a temporary measure). Part of the issue is how big the statue is - it would be hard to find a museum where he could comfortably fit.

The other statues are on city land, so they're in a slightly different position - the governor can't order them removed. But Stoney is working on it. Those are JEB Stuart, Stonewall Jackson, and Jefferson F*cking Davis, who wasn't even a Virginian (at least the other three were). There's also an Arthur Ashe monument (native son of RVA), and I don't think there are any plans to remove him.
1 month ago - Thursday 6/4/20 - 2:17:43 PM EST (GMT-5)
Oh yeah, and Matthew Fontaine Maury (also a confederate general). I always forget about him because he's so much less famous than the others. He's supposed to be coming down, too.

Basically all these plans are in their infancy right now, but the best first step is getting Lee out of there, because that's what the governor can do without city approval.
1 month ago - Thursday 6/4/20 - 2:22:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
btw, the other thing that kind of went along with this is the state officially got rid of Lee-Jackson Day as a state holiday. We've had it for 20 years, and before THAT, we had "Lee-Jackson-KING Day." As in Martin Luther King. Sharing a day with two guys who would've put him in chains and beaten him. This has all come about because Democrats finally control the state legislature for the first time in a generation. Now we have Election Day as a state holiday instead.
1 month ago - Thursday 6/4/20 - 2:28:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
Obviously not fans of Friday Night Lights...

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1430960...
1 month ago - Thursday 6/4/20 - 4:11:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
MUH HURRITAGE
1 month ago - Thursday 6/4/20 - 5:38:13 PM EST (GMT-5)
they still haven’t put anything in place of the ones in new orleans

I kinda thought drew brees could have been put where lee used to be until yesterday
1 month ago - Friday 6/5/20 - 11:03:13 AM EST (GMT-5)
More good news -

Fredericksburg has had an actual slave auction block just chillin in downtown for everybody to see. There have been like three years of court fights over whether or not the city council can order it removed (and put in a museum instead). Finally, this morning, crews went in and actually removed it. So no more auction block in downtown Fredericksburg!

https://www.fredericksburgva.gov/12...
1 month ago - Friday 6/5/20 - 11:34:23 AM EST (GMT-5)
what the hell was the argument against removing slave auction blocks? Did it have a "never again" plaque on it or something of that nature? Or was it just left as a constant reminder of "their heritage"?
1 month ago - Friday 6/5/20 - 11:47:26 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Friday 6/5/20 - 11:34:23 AM postallbear wrote:
what the hell was the argument against removing slave auction blocks? Did it have a "never again" plaque on it or something of that nature? Or was it just left as a constant reminder of "their heritage"?


There was a plaque, which was added in the '80s. "Auction block. Fredericksburg's principle auction site in pre-Civil War days, for slaves and property"

The argument over it was pretty mundane, local authority stuff. Someone sued because they claimed the council didn't have the authority to order it removed, and only this other local government entity could do that (which they were opposed to doing).

But yeah, once you got out of the legal wranglings, and into just people's opinions, it was much of the same "muh hurritage" crap you see with all these things.
1 month ago - Friday 6/5/20 - 11:48:53 AM EST (GMT-5)
Along with the typical dash of "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."
Like sure dude. The only thing that's keeping us from literally going back to a system of chattel slavery is this one piece of rock sitting in downtown Fred, rather than in a museum.
1 month ago - Friday 6/5/20 - 2:13:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
Anyone doing the "muh herritage" thing about an actual slave auction block is outright admitting that they're racist assholes.
A statue of a person they could claim being an actual descendant of would have that one (weak) saving point.
But a constant reminder that people bought and sold other human beings at that spot is something there's absolutely no value to.
1 month ago - Friday 6/5/20 - 2:31:44 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's not much to look at. And it really looks out of place. You can kind of sort of make an argument for a statue, but this is just a big rock.
1 month ago - Friday 6/5/20 - 5:07:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
Funny you should mention descendants, actually postal. One of the major proponents of taking Lee down in Richmond has been (pastor) Robert W. Lee IV. One of Gen. Lee's great (however many greats) nephews, who is a Richmond resident.
1 month ago - Friday 6/5/20 - 5:34:42 PM EST (GMT-5)
That's great that he realizes the folly of his forefathers and doesn't want to perpetuate the racist heritage.
1 month ago - Friday 6/5/20 - 5:46:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
they are planning to rename Jefferson Davis Pkwy in New Orleans to I assume it would be Norman Francis Pkwy, but it might be worded a bit differently

hopefully that can get done sooner than later
1 month ago - Saturday 6/6/20 - 11:06:24 AM EST (GMT-5)
At least Brees apologized and realized how hurtful his comment was.

The NFL is playing it up like they're on the side of the protesters. Let's see if they're still singing the same tune in September when players are kneeling for the anthem. Let's see if Kaepernick is on an NFL roster at that time for the first time in 4 years.
1 month ago - Saturday 6/6/20 - 4:04:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
I saw how the NFL is quickly backpedaling. Is everyone going to kneel during the national anthem now? Will those that don’t automatically be called racist?
1 month ago - Saturday 6/6/20 - 5:14:41 PM EST (GMT-5)
If there is football this fall, coaches would have to talk with players and figure it out. I wouldn't say that not kneeling is racist but criticizing those who do kneel would be.

I'm just thinking that it's easier for the NFL owners and commissioner to pay lip service in June than it would be to actually do the right thing during the season especially when veterans day comes around.
1 month ago - Saturday 6/6/20 - 5:20:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
I think the principal hasn’t changed. You shouldn’t kneel during the national anthem because you’re disrespecting your own country. BUT I think there should be some sort of compromise. Maybe immediately following the national anthem, take a knee, hold up BLM signs, a moment of silence, etc. I don’t think anyone would object to that.

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