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Modern-Day Debtors Prisons still operating in Mississippi.

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13 days ago - Saturday 1/11/20 - 5:28:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
Mississippi appears to be the only state where judges lock people up for an indefinite time while they work to earn money to pay off court-ordered debts. Judges have sentenced hundreds of people a year to four restitution centers around the state, almost always ordering them to stay until they pay off court fees, fines and restitution to victims, according to four years of government records analyzed by Mississippi Today and The Marshall Project.

People spent an average of nearly four months—and up to five years—at the centers, working for private employers to earn enough to satisfy the courts. Meanwhile their costs continued to balloon, since they had to pay for room and board, transportation to their jobs and medical care.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/...
13 days ago - Saturday 1/11/20 - 5:29:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
They didn’t get paid much. Between 2016 and 2018, workers at the centers made an average of $6.76 an hour in take home pay, according to our analysis of state data.

It’s a futile system that penalizes the poorest residents of the poorest state in the country, said Cliff Johnson, director of the MacArthur Justice Center at the University of Mississippi.
13 days ago - Saturday 1/11/20 - 5:50:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
Maybe they should expand that program and use it to enforce parental child support payment obligations.
13 days ago - Saturday 1/11/20 - 6:13:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
It’s disgusting.
12 days ago - Sunday 1/12/20 - 2:38:15 PM EST (GMT-5)
honestly i'd only do this for debtors who owe above a certain amount. going after the amounts mentioned in the article like $5,000 wouldn't be cost-effective. if you're embezzling like $100,000 or more then i could see it being used in that context.
12 days ago - Sunday 1/12/20 - 2:41:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 1/12/20 - 2:38:15 PM Inquizitor2 wrote:
honestly i'd only do this for debtors who owe above a certain amount. going after the amounts mentioned in the article like $5,000 wouldn't be cost-effective. if you're embezzling like $100,000 or more then i could see it being used in that context.

How long do you reckon a person would need to work to pay that off?
12 days ago - Sunday 1/12/20 - 2:47:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
well embezzlement sends you to prison anyway, so like a few years? and like CD said this could be used to enforce child support payment obligations. this is a complex issue though, and my solution may not necessarily be the best one.
12 days ago - Sunday 1/12/20 - 4:36:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
I remember reading about multiple car windows broken by vandals. I would be fine if that vandal had to pay for my broken window as part of the restitution.

Why only non-violent crimes? What about violent crimes such as murder? Should the convicted killer have to pay restitution to the family that lost the potential income of the person killed?

I do think making them pay for the motel, food, transportation and medical costs is too much. They would have incurred these costs if in prison.
12 days ago - Sunday 1/12/20 - 5:49:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
How much is murdered victim worth?

Some things cannot be quantified.
12 days ago - Sunday 1/12/20 - 5:59:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
Any ambulance chaser of a lawyer should be able to quantify such things...
12 days ago - Sunday 1/12/20 - 7:40:29 PM EST (GMT-5)
Doesn’t make it true.
11 days ago - Monday 1/13/20 - 2:45:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Sunday 1/12/20 - 2:47:54 PM Inquizitor2 wrote:
well embezzlement sends you to prison anyway, so like a few years?

You don't know much about prison labor wages, do you?
11 days ago - Monday 1/13/20 - 10:17:27 PM EST (GMT-5)
While you have a point about paying back $100k, these are actual jobs outside the prison rather than the typical 'prison labor' types of jobs (where they typically pay $1/hour or less). The person in the story was making a typical $7.25/hour fast food industry level wage at Church's Chicken.
10 days ago - Tuesday 1/14/20 - 6:12:34 AM EST (GMT-5)
Is that what you pay an entry level MA at your company?
10 days ago - Tuesday 1/14/20 - 10:01:38 AM EST (GMT-5)
Pay your debt then
10 days ago - Tuesday 1/14/20 - 10:33:25 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 1/14/20 - 6:12:34 AM Boredofu wrote:
Is that what you pay an entry level MA at your company?

Oh, that's why they don't advertise what the salary is in their help wanted ad. I get it now.
10 days ago - Tuesday 1/14/20 - 10:34:55 AM EST (GMT-5)

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10 days ago - Tuesday 1/14/20 - 11:19:37 AM EST (GMT-5)
100 monkeys, banging away on 100 typewriters, can reproduce the works of Shakespeare, if given infinite time to do so...
10 days ago - Tuesday 1/14/20 - 11:46:32 AM EST (GMT-5)
A typical day at my office:

10 days ago - Tuesday 1/14/20 - 1:01:49 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 1/14/20 - 11:19:37 AM CowDung wrote:
100 monkeys, banging away on 100 typewriters, can reproduce the works of Shakespeare, if given infinite time to do so...


And one banging away at a laptop produces your comments in mere seconds.
10 days ago - Tuesday 1/14/20 - 2:06:33 PM EST (GMT-5)
Another consideration with the embezzlement example is the fact that these wages will be taxed (so are actual prison wages, btw), which means "making $7.25/hr." isn't actually the person making $7.25/hr. take-home. Sure, they likely won't owe income tax after all is said and done, but there's still FICA, Medicare, etc., which these wages are not exempt from.

ON TOP of that, the IRS does not care where your money comes from - they want their share. So if you embezzle $100k, they consider that $100k in income for you. They don't care that you got it through illegal means. So in addition to owing the money in restitution, you now owe a multi-thousand dollar debt to the IRS. When you start adding all that up, it starts to really increase the number of years you'd have to work in order to pay off all you owe.
10 days ago - Tuesday 1/14/20 - 2:09:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
...but they only pay $11/day for room/board.
10 days ago - Tuesday 1/14/20 - 2:13:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
I don't see how that contradicts anything I said.
10 days ago - Tuesday 1/14/20 - 2:16:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
Was it supposed to? Just pointing out one of the things that can make more money available to pay off what they may owe...

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