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Venezuela: Guaidó says 'final phase' of plan to oust Maduro is underway

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26 days ago - Tuesday 4/30/19 - 2:57:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...

Venezuela’s political crisis has lurched into a potentially historic and violent new phase as an attempted military uprising erupted at the heart of its capital, Caracas, and the opposition leader Juan Guaidó urged supporters to take to the streets to force his rival Nicolás Maduro from power.

A day of high drama and profound uncertainty began shortly before dawn on Tuesday when Guaidó – who has been spearheading a three-month campaign to topple Maduro – posted an online video in which he appeared surrounded by dozens of armed troops near a key military installation in Caracas.

“The time is now,” Guaidó said outside the La Carlota airbase. “We are going to achieve freedom and democracy in Venezuela,” Guaidó added, urging supporters to take to the streets.

26 days ago - Tuesday 4/30/19 - 3:00:48 PM EST (GMT-5)
John Bolton is on record as saying this is "clearly not a coup". Which. I know he supports Guaidó and all, and I don't think anyone thinks Maduro is a good guy. But when you have a political uprising where the military is trying to help you take control of the government by forcing the other guy out of power...we have a word for that, I think. Just wish I could remember what it is.
26 days ago - Tuesday 4/30/19 - 4:35:17 PM EST (GMT-5)
This was inevitable. Not sure how much longer the people would tolerate having no food or money. Even Maduro’s supporters are not blind.
26 days ago - Tuesday 4/30/19 - 4:43:16 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 4/30/19 - 3:00:48 PM birdsong4j wrote:
John Bolton is on record as saying this is "clearly not a coup". Which. I know he supports Guaidó and all, and I don't think anyone thinks Maduro is a good guy. But when you have a political uprising where the military is trying to help you take control of the government by forcing the other guy out of power...we have a word for that, I think. Just wish I could remember what it is.


maduro isn't going to just step aside quietly, even if he was fully aware of all the damage he did. sadly, this is the outcome.

i hope for the people of venezuela there is meaningful change and people no longer starve.
26 days ago - Tuesday 4/30/19 - 4:45:19 PM EST (GMT-5)
I didn't say he was going to step aside quietly. I said it's crazy that Bolton is calling this "clearly not a coup."
25 days ago - Tuesday 4/30/19 - 5:46:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
Now, Bolton is saying Maduro was "preparing to leave" this morning, and was apparently going to take refuge in Cuba, but the Russians convinced him not to go. He of course will not give any indication of *how* he/we know this.

Regardless of the eventual outcome, it's impossible to deny that there's a large amount of international f*ckery involved in all of this. Russia (and Cuba) supporting Maduro, the US trying to prop up Guaidó - the idea that this is self-determination on the part of Venezuelans is pretty silly.
25 days ago - Tuesday 4/30/19 - 10:17:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
Someone on my facebook feed is currently mansplaining to my friend why their opinion on this matter is wrong. Friend has made it four replies without mentioning that he is Venezuelan.
25 days ago - Wednesday 5/1/19 - 11:43:25 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 4/30/19 - 4:45:19 PM birdsong4j wrote:
I didn't say he was going to step aside quietly. I said it's crazy that Bolton is calling this "clearly not a coup."

I think he considers it logical, since they recognized Guaido as the “legitimate” leader of Venezuela, to specify it’s not a coup.

Saying it was a coup would somehow value date Maduro as leader of the country, in some far fetch logic.
25 days ago - Wednesday 5/1/19 - 11:44:17 AM EST (GMT-5)
value date= validate.
25 days ago - Wednesday 5/1/19 - 12:00:38 PM EST (GMT-5)
USA, Brazil, Columbia, and Ecuador support Guiado. Russia, China, and Cuba support Maduro. And spineless Mexico decided to remain neutral.
25 days ago - Wednesday 5/1/19 - 12:03:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
I mean sure, of course he's trying to make it look better because it's being done by a guy he supports. And again, I'm in no way saying Maduro is good. But the guy is still trying (and from today's news, not really succeeding) in taking control of the government by force, with the help of the military. And our involvement (which I am almost positive is larger than any of us know) is still the US meddling in the political affairs of yet another South American country. Not really a strategy that's worked out very well in the past, to say the least.
25 days ago - Wednesday 5/1/19 - 12:13:32 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 5/1/19 - 12:00:38 PM Noldor wrote:
USA, Brazil, Columbia, and Ecuador support Guiado. Russia, China, and Cuba support Maduro. And spineless Mexico decided to remain neutral.

Mexico is being cautious. They have diplomatic relations with Venezuela and their situation is a good bit more complicated than just "Maduro BAD, Guaidó GOOD." They've called for a *negotiated* exit from all the turmoil, rather than taking the hardline position that Maduro needs to step down immediately (which they thought, quite rightly it seems, would lead to violence, which they did not want to be seen as encouraging).

(As for Brazil, it's being run by a far-right Trumpist despot and you really shouldn't take f*cking Bolsonaro's opinion on anything into account)
25 days ago - Wednesday 5/1/19 - 12:44:52 PM EST (GMT-5)
Maduro has run the country into the ground. He’s proven he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Guaido is a centrist, but at this point ANYBODY is better than Maduro. So yes, it is as simple as saying Maduro bad, Guaido good. Not much to negotiate really, other than how you want to be transported to the plane that takes you to Cuba.
25 days ago - Wednesday 5/1/19 - 12:54:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Wednesday 5/1/19 - 12:44:52 PM Noldor wrote:
Maduro has run the country into the ground. He’s proven he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Guaido is a centrist, but at this point ANYBODY is better than Maduro. So yes, it is as simple as saying Maduro bad, Guaido good. Not much to negotiate really, other than how you want to be transported to the plane that takes you to Cuba.


It is NOT that simple to Mexico. Try reading next time.



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