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Actresses Lori Loughlin, Felicity Huffman among 40 charged in college exam cheating plot

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10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 11:28:09 AM EST (GMT-5)
Hollywood actresses Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman are among at least 40 people charged in a large-scale college entrance exam cheating scheme, according to court documents unsealed Tuesday.

The alleged scheme focused on getting students admitted to elite universities as recruited athletes, regardless of their athletic abilities, and helping potential students cheat on their college exams, according to the indictment unsealed in Boston.

The plot involved students who attended or were seeking to attend Georgetown University, Stanford University, UCLA, the University of San Diego, USC, University of Texas, Wake Forest, and Yale, according to federal prosecutors.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 11:46:00 AM EST (GMT-5)
The craziest parts of this are:

1. These were their own kids. Which means the kids were going to grow up rich and privileged no matter what! Getting into a good school wasn't even close to their only avenue for success in life.

2. Part of the scheme involved bribing people to get the kids into these schools. Did...they not understand the concept of rich people giving a school millions of dollars for a new building or something, in exchange for their kid getting in? Because that "scheme" has been going on forever, and it's legal.
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 11:49:00 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 3/12/19 - 11:46:00 AM birdsong4j wrote:
2. Part of the scheme involved bribing people to get the kids into these schools. Did...they not understand the concept of rich people giving a school millions of dollars for a new building or something, in exchange for their kid getting in? Because that "scheme" has been going on forever, and it's legal.


The only thing I can think of is that maybe the necessary “donation” wasn’t something they could afford.
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 11:51:25 AM EST (GMT-5)
...and there were 40+ people charged in this- - are all of them rich and privileged, with rich and privileged kids seeking to get into a school?
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 11:56:00 AM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 3/12/19 - 11:51:25 AM CowDung wrote:
...and there were 40+ people charged in this- - are all of them rich and privileged, with rich and privileged kids seeking to get into a school?


I'm obviously talking about the actresses and their families with that statement.

Also, some of the people charged were not parents, but the people executing other parts of the fraud/making money off the whole thing.
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:03:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
You can cheat and get in; but the problem with that is you’re going to be competing with students that didn’t cheat to get in. Good luck passing your classes.
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:07:02 PM EST (GMT-5)
I remember something like that from Six Feet Under.
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:07:53 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:03:22 PM Noldor wrote:
You can cheat and get in; but the problem with that is you’re going to be competing with students that didn’t cheat to get in. Good luck passing your classes.


Interesting that you assume the cutoff for admissions to any school somehow represents the bare minimum competency necessary to even pass classes.
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:09:54 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:03:22 PM Noldor wrote:
You can cheat and get in; but the problem with that is you’re going to be competing with students that didn’t cheat to get in. Good luck passing your classes.


They might just take the "easy" classes and more interested in obtaining a degree from a prestigious college.
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:13:22 PM EST (GMT-5)
Also interesting that Noldor thinks students are somehow "competing" with each other for grades.

Curve grading happens sometimes, in some classes, but it's not like, how the entire university system is designed to work by default. Generally, if you know the material and perform well, it doesn't matter if the rest of your class does, too. You can ALL get good grades.

In my entire degree program, I never once took a class that was graded in a way that would punish someone who knew the material, just because other people did too.
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:16:39 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:13:22 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Also interesting that Noldor thinks students are somehow "competing" with each other for grades. Curve grading happens sometimes, in some classes, but it's not like, how the entire university system is designed to work by default. Generally, if you know the material and perform well, it doesn't matter if the rest of your class does, too. You can ALL get good grades. In my entire degree program, I never once took a class that was graded in a way that would punish someone who knew the material, just because other people did too.


Trying to turn this into another 'bash Noldor' thread?

10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:18:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
It's not "bashing" to point out that his statement is silly.
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:20:25 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:18:04 PM birdsong4j wrote:
It's not "bashing" to point out that his statement is silly.


It actually is since you are talking about him rather than to him...
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:30:20 PM EST (GMT-5)
Cool arbitrary definition of words, bro!

Anyway, this thread is not about you or Noldor, much as you may try to make it. Enjoy talking to yourself for the next 20 posts.
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:31:36 PM EST (GMT-5)
No this thread isn't about Noldor, which is why I commented about you trying to turn it into one...
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:34:01 PM EST (GMT-5)
If you disagree with what he said, state how your opinion differs and challenge him to defend his statement. Address him directly rather than making comments about him.
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:38:35 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 3/12/19 - 11:46:00 AM birdsong4j wrote:
2. Part of the scheme involved bribing people to get the kids into these schools. Did...they not understand the concept of rich people giving a school millions of dollars for a new building or something, in exchange for their kid getting in? Because that "scheme" has been going on forever, and it's legal.
On Tuesday 3/12/19 - 11:49:00 AM Courtbebe wrote:
The only thing I can think of is that maybe the necessary “donation” wasn’t something they could afford.


Apparently some parents paid up to $6.5 million to get their kids in somewhere.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/co...
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 1:28:55 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 3/12/19 - 11:49:00 AM Courtbebe wrote:
The only thing I can think of is that maybe the necessary “donation” wasn’t something they could afford.
On Tuesday 3/12/19 - 12:38:35 PM birdsong4j wrote:
Apparently some parents paid up to $6.5 million to get their kids in somewhere. [link]


Yeah, I saw that, and I’m confused as to how that’s possible under this scheme.

Under this scheme, having someone take the SAT or ACT for a child cost from $15-75k. Assuming a parent wants both tests, that’s a maximum of $150k.

I’m not sure the price range for getting a child admitted as an athletic recruit, but Loughlin & husband paid $500k for both daughters to be considered as recruits for crew.

What kind of services was the ringleader providing for $6.5m?
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 1:35:56 PM EST (GMT-5)
Yeah, it does seem like a huge range. The athletic coaches must have gotten a pretty penny out of it, because several of them are VERY high-profile in their fields (the USC crew coach for one). How much would they have to be getting paid (on top of what I assume is a very generous salary from USC) in order to risk their professional reputations over Aunt Becky and the Mossimo guy's kids?
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 1:40:04 PM EST (GMT-5)
This whole story is just wild. Not that it happened; that doesn’t surprise me. Just that it got out and that the scheme is big.
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 1:42:31 PM EST (GMT-5)
"This is a felony."

"A law enforcement source confirms to CNN that Huffman is the actress and she has been arrested in Los Angeles. Huffman, best known for her role on TV's "Desperate Housewives," is accused of paying $15,000 to an organization that then facilitated cheating for her daughter on the SATs, the indictment said. Huffman also discussed the scheme in a recorded phone call with a cooperating witness, the indictment said. Actress Lori Loughlin is also facing the same felony charge - conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud."

Just imagine being the child and everyone finding out your parents had to pay/cheat to get you into a good college. Humiliating
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 1:45:34 PM EST (GMT-5)
Every new thing I see about it is wilder than the last.

Like the mom who got annoyed with her daughter over the fact that she *wanted to keep trying* to get a better ACT score. Her daughter wanted to study more and try harder! And instead she just contacted this guy to cheat for her.

Or the posed "water polo" photos where the parents didn't even know enough about water polo to pose the kids in realistic positions.

Or Lori Laughlin's daughter apparently getting a bunch of sh*t after getting into USC because she basically said she wasn't sure how much of college she was going to attend, but she wanted "the experience" of game days, partying, etc.
(LL's kids were in on it, which not all of the kids were. And that girl is already an "instagram influencer")
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 1:48:11 PM EST (GMT-5)
On Tuesday 3/12/19 - 1:42:31 PM skirtgirl2 wrote:
Just imagine being the child and everyone finding out your parents had to pay/cheat to get you into a good college. Humiliating


I think there’s a good chance the kids knew.

Based on the amount Huffman paid, she might have had someone take a test for her kid. Maybe a kid wouldn’t know that was being done, but it seems unlikely.

And Loughlin’s kids had to take photos on rowing equipment to sell their cover of crew recruits. I can’t imagine they didn’t know what was going on.

10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 1:50:18 PM EST (GMT-5)
Loughlin's kids definitely did know; that's been confirmed.

But as for the others...I've read through some of the documents, and the way the test scam worked, it's very possible they actually had no idea. If it was just that (and not posing for bogus athletic pictures, etc.), I think it's definitely possible a lot of the parents did this without their kids knowing what was happening.
10 days ago - Tuesday 3/12/19 - 1:51:58 PM EST (GMT-5)
I'm sure the kids knew but I don't know if all their friends and other students at the college knew. But maybe some didn't care as long as they got into college and could experience the game days and partying.

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